hoi Rigsy

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 2:22 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:

> It's often easier to talk to oneself- either way thoughts go, you
> win! :-)
>
>
That is really not true,,  I find hearing what I have to say often
times clarifies what i want to say and at times find the idea or thought
full of shit..  but any discussion of philosophy is beneficial

But there well what was it I was saying?
Allan


> On Jan 29, 1:21 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Yeah   it is kind of like an old dog sappen  on his favorite bone.
> >
> > it is trying to understand others, and what I have experienced  As I have
> > very few friends that like discussing God  I talk to myself a lot..which
> is
> > no problem as I am never really alone,.
> > Allan
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Not at all irrelevant.  did you have more thoughts about this?
> >
> > > On Jan 28, 10:19 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > Hi Mol&Rigs, listening to you two I've been asking myself why none of
> > > > you mentions Jung and his description of the collective unconscious.
> I
> > > > haven't read the Red Book yet, but maybe of of you has and could tell
> > > > me why this is irrelevant to what you are discussing.
> >
> > > > On Jan 27, 2:35 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > The paramount paradox.
> >
> > > > > On Jan 27, 8:21 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > Yes- I've read a lot of Campbell and admire his efforts. In
> fact, I
> > > > > > was going to put the Oriental Mythology of his Masks of God
> series
> > > > > > aside to reread- Indian, Chinese and Japanese chapters. I wish I
> > > could
> > > > > > keep certain studies on top of my thinking but maybe I have read
> so
> > > > > > much there is a chute to forgetfulness or a pit of scrambled
> > > > > > ideas! :-) Oh, dear!
> >
> > > > > > However, back to your comment about looking back/within. I
> consider
> > > > > > there is impossible split between the spiritual and material and
> yet
> > > > > > that is our struggle to bridge- if possible.
> >
> > > > > > On Jan 27, 6:32 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > Do myths disappear?  Joseph Campbell mapped common human myth
> > > around
> > > > > > > the word and through time to discover a mechanism something
> close
> > > to
> > > > > > > common memory - the expression of the same archetypes in real
> time,
> > > > > > > isolated incidents around the globe and at the same time.  This
> > > > > > > phenomena has occurred throughout human history.  This may
> tell us
> > > > > > > that it is not the looking back that is important, but as Vam
> says,
> > > > > > > looking within.
> >
> > > > > > > On Jan 26, 5:54 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > What is original? I might argue that one is simply
> explicating
> > > what
> > > > > > > > already exists.
> >
> > > > > > > > Each generation assumes it has a distinct character- or
> needs to
> > > prove
> > > > > > > > that it has.
> >
> > > > > > > > Was thinking the reason myths disappear is because they were
> > > oral and
> > > > > > > > native languages are usually suppressed by the conquerors.
> One
> > > also
> > > > > > > > carries family myths- which interfere with deep
> communication.
> >
> > > > > > > > Yes- there are terrible inequities- all the more scandalous
> > > because
> > > > > > > > there really is plenty to go around so the root is greed and
> > > distain
> > > > > > > > for others. Governments only pretend to care for all its
> > > citizens- it
> > > > > > > > picks and chooses.
> >
> > > > > > > > We passed the Gilded Age- I would call this the Tinsel Age.
> >
> > > > > > > > On Jan 25, 9:45 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > I would say, Vam, that you often jump in the water with an
> > > 'entourage'
> > > > > > > > > of assumptive baggage.  I probably dislike citation more
> than
> > > you and
> > > > > > > > > am not the first.  Veblen would be a good start (to use
> some
> > > rough
> > > > > > > > > citation).  These days, you can at least Google the name.
> > >  When I
> > > > > > > > > started it meant a trip to the library.  Anyone who has the
> > > chance to
> > > > > > > > > read a lot of what's available (this is still remarkably
> few)
> > > should
> > > > > > > > > discover most of what they thought their own ideas have
> been
> > > done
> > > > > > > > > before.  The idea  is no doubt to try to 'stand on the
> > > shoulders of
> > > > > > > > > giants' (itself a wisecrack by Newton on Hooke's dwarfish
> > > stature).
> > > > > > > > > The 'giants' always turn out flawed.  Moses is a war
> criminal
> > > in
> > > > > > > > > Numbers 31, the Greeks, for all their argument, never
> produced
> > > a
> > > > > > > > > decent one against slavery (the lunatic-religious John
> Brown
> > > being
> > > > > > > > > better).  Many, because they don't read enough, attribute
> > > 'relativity'
> > > > > > > > > to Einstein, but it has a longer and wider history.  The
> > > chattering
> > > > > > > > > class reinvents the square wheel all over the place.
> >
> > > > > > > > > What if the best of our system is fascist and we have
> grown in
> > > such
> > > > > > > > > culture, or a caste system?  By what processes do we get an
> > > > > > > > > understanding for change from such?  Western propaganda
> would
> > > have us
> > > > > > > > > believe pouring resources into the gullets of the rich is
> > > sensible.
> > > > > > > > > We all live in the gutter.  Only some  of us lift our eyes
> to
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > stars.  If only I was smart enough to have been first to
> that!
> > > (Oscar
> > > > > > > > > Wilde)   A common jibe by academics is that common sense is
> > > that which
> > > > > > > > > allows us to believe the world is flat - yet flat-earth
> was an
> > > > > > > > > academic construction - one can actually see the curvature
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > Earth.
> >
> > > > > > > > > What we need is reliable collective memory.   Given our
> > > capacity  to
> > > > > > > > > pervert, citation is usually used in a highly selective
> manner,
> > > > > > > > > usually along with a core academic (religious etc.)
> narrative
> > > of
> > > > > > > > > exclusion of competing argument.  Control of what is
> reliable
> > > memory
> > > > > > > > > is, of course, just what those in power want to maintain -
> > > perhaps
> > > > > > > > > through principles of Home and Vanity.  I will always
> prefer
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > margins to this, remembering that to oppose tyranny can
> > > pervert  into
> > > > > > > > > its support.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Deconstruction is only a beginning.  I believe its spirit
> > > concerns a
> > > > > > > > > defeat of madness that includes rationalist fantasy and
> animal
> > > > > > > > > consensus (which I sense as grasping, selfish individualism
> > > easy to
> > > > > > > > > rule).
> >
> > > > > > > > > On Jan 25, 3:26 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > >  "Is this not an important part of the dynamic
> > > multidimensional mind
> > > > > > > > > > Vam, can you find nothing of value with meeting this
> view at
> > > least as
> > > > > > > > > > a challenge?"
> >
> > > > > > > > > > James, starting with God is a bad idea. Perhaps, ending
> up
> > > at it is
> > > > > > > > > > what needs to happen. Dawkins was in Jaipur here and I
> found
> > > his view
> > > > > > > > > > a lot more balanced, less bigoted and militant.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > And Neil is right : it must deal with morality. Where his
> > > discourse
> > > > > > > > > > runs dry is when he is quoting other people ! That is
> also my
> > > > > > > > > > compelling logic against intellectual property rights.
> What
> > > damned
> > > > > > > > > > "rights" on knowledge of any kind ? Or, why must we have
> to
> > > give
> > > > > > > > > > references, when all we wish to say is ours, with us ? If
> > > it's not
> > > > > > > > > > ours, for us to say, we should STFU !
> >
> > > > > > > > > > The formal aspect of Truth or truths is onerous. There
> are
> > > libraries
> > > > > > > > > > out there where it goes dry. It is the informal one that
> I
> > > wish to put
> > > > > > > > > > across : it is mine... and for that reason should be
> > > everyone's, of
> > > > > > > > > > everything. And that ( informal aspect ) is... HOME. The
> > > search for
> > > > > > > > > > that place which is truly ours, where we can rest without
> > > fear, free
> > > > > > > > > > and fulfilled, which nothing in the whole universe can
> take
> > > away from
> > > > > > > > > > us. Truth is our Home.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > This is no parable I've begun. People are spent for and
> on a
> > > " home "
> > > > > > > > > > for themselves. They build, buy, rent one for the body...
> > > house or
> > > > > > > > > > apartment, car or craft. But then the worst a-holes
> amongst
> > > us come to
> > > > > > > > > > believe that home they are so invested on is also the "
> home
> > > " to
> > > > > > > > > > their emotion, to their thought, their identity, and
> their
> > > happiness
> > > > > > > > > > too ! Well, it is and it definitely isn't.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > The better ( a-hols ) take on a wife, friend, progeny or
> pet,
> > > > > > > > > > community or cause, to engage their
> emotion-thought-identity
> > > where,
> > > > > > > > > > with whom or which, one then feels at home. Of that our
> > > thought is
> > > > > > > > > > preoccupied... that same ' faculty ' that had been used
> to
> > > focus on
> > > > > > > > > > money to buy the home, on the value of food and worth of
> > > delicacies,
> > > > > > > > > > on the relevance of what is beneficial and serves our
> > > purposes and
> > > > > > > > > > what does not.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > That pitch of ' acquisition,' value, worth, relevance...
> is
> > > also there
> > > > > > > > > > in our thought and eye, as in it pre-exists and is
> > > consciously or
> > > > > > > > > > subconsciously applied, for the home-objects of our
> emotion
> > > as well.
> > > > > > > > > > For a lifetime, we carry that pitch to manage,
> manipulate,
> > > decide and
> > > > > > > > > > deal with what is outside us to acquire the material
> > > home-object in
> > > > > > > > > > our aim ... a domain that, for all practical purposes,
> > > encompasses
> > > > > > > > > > everything. For everything, external and internal, is
> > > outside the
> > > > > > > > > > agency, the ego-person, we are through the pursuit after
> our
> > > aim.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > What is concurrent within, inside of us - the
> "ego-person,"
> > > is a build
> > > > > > > > > > up and an intensification of VANITY... which expresses
> as :
> > > " I
> > > > > > > > > > possess;" " I win;" " I will acquire;" " I am
> successful."
> > > It is all a
> > > > > > > > > > matter of process that is normal to our drive and
> inevitable
> > > to our
> > > > > > > > > > search. But, as surely as sure can be, it is Vanity that
> > > also blocks
> > > > > > > > > > our evolution and progression into the true Home to our
> > > emotion -
> > > > > > > > > > which is Love, to our thought - which is Silence, to our
> > > identity -
> > > > > > > > > > which is Zero, and to our spirit - which is Bliss
> Infinite.
> > > Because it
> > > > > > > > > > limits us
> >
> > ...
> >
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