I just read Vam's comments are right on,, if I could have only one wish for mankind that would be it. "Freedom from corruption".. (sigh;; To dream the impossible dream...)
It could be easy, but what can I say,, that is not the idea or response of the top men or at least that what they appear to avoid at all costs. Allan On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > Freedom from corruption is actually the easiest of things to achieve. > The top man needs to honest, fair, sincere, secure and sharing. > > On Feb 2, 6:39 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > Much to agree with on what we might call fudge and mudge. Things > > certainly seem to have become much worse as the business model and its > > people have moved in. What I want to know more about is what > > facilitates the corruption and, of course, what might bring it to an > > end. This should be a key issue in organisational design, but anti- > > corruption becomes a self-serving bureaucracy in-itself, often > > preventing the actual desired purpose. > > > > One of the naive issues ejucation is replete with is teaching the > > right way to do things without reference to what goes on in actual > > work situations and power-relations. Many of us respond with some > > distress to standard philosophical considerations where the argument > > made is only possible because of what is excluded. In business > > ejucation this is referred to as the learning transfer problem - these > > days no one dares to say the 'learning material' itself is a load of > > tosh (shades of the worst of religion). My mature students, always a > > source of inspiration, have often said they enjoy being able to debate > > critical concerns and that they hope I don't expect them to take this > > into the workplace where this would be an effective job-suicide note. > > > > Whistle-blowers are now being paid off through compromise agreements > > even in bodies responsible for supervising complaints and standards. > > "Harmony" is a hair spray rigsy! Not a bad metaphor for what gets > > sprayed over the problems. My feeling is the rotten orchard needs > > something stronger. The situation is 'Emperor's New Clothes', but I'm > > afraid the child's voice ending and everything fine after that can't > > work. > > > > I'm not concerned much on a personal basis, largely on what Molly > > says. I suspect the stuff of this corruption prevents almost all > > practical argument and is what science excludes from its > > considerations. > > > > On Feb 2, 12:32 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes- it is about harmony- understanding it and finding it. > > > > > On Feb 2, 5:44 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I can see that my sense of morality has changed over the years along > > > > with my relationship to life. Yet at the core of it, is a sense of > > > > self respect that allowed me to walk away from a couple of decent > > > > incomes and destructive human relationships because of the culture of > > > > war they brought with them. Somehow, expressing truth in the moment > > > > was never enough, the war raged on. In retrospect, I can see that > > > > what I was walking to when walking away was far better, but at the > > > > time, the path was forming as my foot hit the exit doorway in the > > > > walking away. I've never been comfortable in that scenario, but I > can > > > > now see it has payed off for me in the long run. It always starts > > > > with listening to my gut. > > > > > > An interesting time we live in, with our education, political and > > > > financial systems no longer serving us. With eyes blurred from Rome > > > > burning, it is hard to see what is coming for us. What I do know is > > > > we are a resilient lot, and something will. The education system > does > > > > suck, my youngest is still in University and has always struggled > with > > > > the system. He will get his BA in May with honors, something he > never > > > > experienced in the younger grades. Somehow, he made it work out of a > > > > desire for a good life. > > > > > > Myself, I found a way to make it work while still doing my own thing > > > > in the University, but after being told by the English Dept to find a > > > > different course of study. I was lucky that there was a more > creative > > > > "alternative" available or I would probably have quit. I did see > > > > (what seemed to me) the brightest teachers struggling with the > > > > bureaucracy of their profession. But it seems to me we all struggle > > > > with that, even my husband, the Chiropractor, who is in practice by > > > > himself. If we live in community, we adapt to the rules, regs, > norms, > > > > laws, while expressing ourselves the best we can. Seems to me that > > > > finding a lasting harmony there is the real trick, no matter the > > > > details of it. > > > > > > On Feb 1, 3:54 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I had a sense of doing what seemed right as a cop Allan - even > though > > > > > most situations were difficult to see a right side in. The academy > > > > > stinks as in the State of Denmark and I get to feel the only thing > is > > > > > to retreat to the margins. My working guess is that it's > > > > > "meritocracy" that sucks. > > > > > > > On Feb 1, 8:30 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > not being obnoxious, The that comes to my mind is just what is > your > > > > > > understanding of morality and how it is applied in ones life. > > > > > > Understanding morality on a personal level can be quite > difficult, > > > > > > especially if you want it to make sense. > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 7:39 PM, archytas <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > I hope to spend the next 5 years "not teaching" - a difficult > > > > > > > financial decision as this is my 'ready-to-hand' income. Some > years > > > > > > > back I tried to take and stick to a decision not to teach > 'ideological > > > > > > > rot' - broadly the mainstream of business and economic > subjects. This > > > > > > > might seem a fairly easy personal, moral decision; yet it > isn't. > > > > > > > > > The interesting issues don't concern the easy morality of > doing what's > > > > > > > right. One can find plenty of material, from Critical Theory > through > > > > > > > to deconstructive approaches to behaviour and critical > psychology - > > > > > > > and once, very critical management books like Peter Anthony's > > > > > > > 'Foundation of Management' and sort programmes out on the > basis of > > > > > > > these. Thus one could teach material one might feel credible > and > > > > > > > stretching, broadly aimed at students learning critical > reasoning. I > > > > > > > do offer modules based around writers like David Graeber, > Steve Keen > > > > > > > and modern blogs at the moment. > > > > > > > > > What muddies the waters is a combination of streamlining costs > in HE > > > > > > > and more or less the extirpation of syllabus control by > academics, > > > > > > > along with a massive dilution of student brain-power and the > > > > > > > connection of student success with the numbers we pass. This > > > > > > > situation makes moral judgement very difficult and academe has > > > > > > > collapsed altogether as a moral place. > > > > > > > > > Economics has long been taught as a science - an utter farce - > and > > > > > > > management theories are only fit for ridicule (excellence, > kwality and > > > > > > > anything with 'strategic' in it). The world works around > power and > > > > > > > rhetoric, and this is the only real content of such "theories". > > > > > > > > > The madness that underlies all this is that we never address > what the > > > > > > > real issues might be. Accumulated wealth is clearly a problem > for > > > > > > > democracy as it inevitably means some will benefit by doing > nothing > > > > > > > while others work and that the wealth will be used to influence > > > > > > > politics and the very ground of commercial competition. Yet > with no > > > > > > > consideration of this we leap into "theorising" in a system > that > > > > > > > applauds the creation of excess wealth in few hands as a > 'good'. > > > > > > > > > One can try to teach what one believes is true and in simple > morality > > > > > > > this is what one ought to do. The actual situation is much > more > > > > > > > complex. The jobs available in teaching (apart from a few > little > > > > > > > eddies I have occupied) are nearly all to do with teaching the > rot, > > > > > > > because this is the cheapest way universities can devise. The > moral > > > > > > > choice of not teaching rot changes to a choice not to teach > (and get > > > > > > > paid) - partly because your own students will be examined on > the rot > > > > > > > because you are teaching as part of a 'team' and all students > are set > > > > > > > the same questions as part of standardisation. If you don't > teach the > > > > > > > muck you put your students at a disadvantage. > > > > > > > > > I see no answers to the moral conundrum - other than just to > walk > > > > > > > away, putting distance between oneself and the madness. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ( > > > > > > ) > > > > > > |_D Allan > > > > > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.- Hide quoted > text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
