That's it. From the distance it's always so very easy to make out the right thing.
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Feb 4, 11:18 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > Correction : > > 1) " At every crossroads in MY life, I have always known the right > path > > to take. But I didn't. You know why ? Because it was too damned hard. > > 2) That's the only reason we are not honest, fair, sincere, > compassionate > > and sharing... 1) We do not KNOW what is the right thing to do, not just > > for ourself. And 2) It's too damned hard to do the right thing, when > > there are scores of easier paths to take. > > > > On Feb 3, 8:42 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've ceased to believe that corruption stems from the top or that the > > > good leader is as Vam states (though this would be very welcome in > > > practice). I've generally held to Harry Bosch's (Michael Connelly > > > detective) motto 'everyone counts or no one does' in my work. I > > > suspect in me this comes from Xtian stories. If we want decent people > > > at the top one would expect the values Vam espouses to be those valued > > > and practiced throughout - in fact we laud something else altogether. > > > I go with a lot rigsy says on the problem being based in apparently > > > innocuous practices. Further on, imagine joining a political party > > > with the idea of becoming a councillor or MP (etc.) It's a total > > > pain and its also not too hard to imagine how easy it is for money > > > (and potentially the interests of other governments) can influence the > > > early selection of candidates. The very structures of organising play > > > their part - and deeper my guess is we don't need the kind of > > > leadership that arises in these systems and that is more to do with > > > our primate past than we know. > > > > > On Feb 3, 12:46 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Kennedy was also involved in illegal something or other in the stock > > > > market- one reason he got that financial position is that he knew how > > > > to manipulate it. Anyway, could never figure his attachment to Gloria > > > > Swanson (yikes!) while Rose had child after child and retreated to > her > > > > rosary. Well- maybe a rosary is less stressful. :-) > > > > > > On Feb 3, 1:04 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hmmm that sounds like the much like the US congress.. itis > strange how > > > > > they amass massive fortunes on a $400,000.oo salaries. {I know Joe > Kennedy > > > > > was in the whiskery trade > > > > > when it was on the illegal side. > > > > > > > the amounts of fortunes politicians gain has got to be comming > from some > > > > > place .. It is good to hear that Detroit is changing, although I > think the > > > > > crooks are just out side the door waiting. Maybe all politicians > should > > > > > have to disclose property and finances for their entire families > on a > > > > > yearly basis making tose record public.. and a department where > > > > > citizens can go to have the questionable investigated. Corruption > in > > > > > politics is rampant in the US. > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Molly <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > Literally hits home for me, Neil, as Detroit becomes the first > US city > > > > > > to go bankrupt after years of accepted corruption by a gang of > > > > > > politicians and cronies accepted by voters until the Feds came > in and > > > > > > the ousting began (thanks to actions by the press, not the Feds > > > > > > initially.) What is it in each of us that needs to cheat, > condemn, > > > > > > lie, engage cruelty, gossip, etc., Why does it all inspire more > of > > > > > > the same in a group? How do we stop it? Good questions. The > answer > > > > > > to the question "where to begin" might be revealing. > > > > > > > > On Feb 2, 8:39 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Much to agree with on what we might call fudge and mudge. > Things > > > > > > > certainly seem to have become much worse as the business model > and its > > > > > > > people have moved in. What I want to know more about is what > > > > > > > facilitates the corruption and, of course, what might bring it > to an > > > > > > > end. This should be a key issue in organisational design, but > anti- > > > > > > > corruption becomes a self-serving bureaucracy in-itself, often > > > > > > > preventing the actual desired purpose. > > > > > > > > > One of the naive issues ejucation is replete with is teaching > the > > > > > > > right way to do things without reference to what goes on in > actual > > > > > > > work situations and power-relations. Many of us respond with > some > > > > > > > distress to standard philosophical considerations where the > argument > > > > > > > made is only possible because of what is excluded. In business > > > > > > > ejucation this is referred to as the learning transfer problem > - these > > > > > > > days no one dares to say the 'learning material' itself is a > load of > > > > > > > tosh (shades of the worst of religion). My mature students, > always a > > > > > > > source of inspiration, have often said they enjoy being able > to debate > > > > > > > critical concerns and that they hope I don't expect them to > take this > > > > > > > into the workplace where this would be an effective > job-suicide note. > > > > > > > > > Whistle-blowers are now being paid off through compromise > agreements > > > > > > > even in bodies responsible for supervising complaints and > standards. > > > > > > > "Harmony" is a hair spray rigsy! Not a bad metaphor for what > gets > > > > > > > sprayed over the problems. My feeling is the rotten orchard > needs > > > > > > > something stronger. The situation is 'Emperor's New Clothes', > but I'm > > > > > > > afraid the child's voice ending and everything fine after that > can't > > > > > > > work. > > > > > > > > > I'm not concerned much on a personal basis, largely on what > Molly > > > > > > > says. I suspect the stuff of this corruption prevents almost > all > > > > > > > practical argument and is what science excludes from its > > > > > > > considerations. > > > > > > > > > On Feb 2, 12:32 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yes- it is about harmony- understanding it and finding it. > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 2, 5:44 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I can see that my sense of morality has changed over the > years along > > > > > > > > > with my relationship to life. Yet at the core of it, is a > sense of > > > > > > > > > self respect that allowed me to walk away from a couple of > decent > > > > > > > > > incomes and destructive human relationships because of the > culture of > > > > > > > > > war they brought with them. Somehow, expressing truth in > the moment > > > > > > > > > was never enough, the war raged on. In retrospect, I can > see that > > > > > > > > > what I was walking to when walking away was far better, > but at the > > > > > > > > > time, the path was forming as my foot hit the exit doorway > in the > > > > > > > > > walking away. I've never been comfortable in that > scenario, but I > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > now see it has payed off for me in the long run. It > always starts > > > > > > > > > with listening to my gut. > > > > > > > > > > > An interesting time we live in, with our education, > political and > > > > > > > > > financial systems no longer serving us. With eyes blurred > from Rome > > > > > > > > > burning, it is hard to see what is coming for us. What I > do know is > > > > > > > > > we are a resilient lot, and something will. The education > system > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > suck, my youngest is still in University and has always > struggled > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > the system. He will get his BA in May with honors, > something he > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > experienced in the younger grades. Somehow, he made it > work out of a > > > > > > > > > desire for a good life. > > > > > > > > > > > Myself, I found a way to make it work while still doing my > own thing > > > > > > > > > in the University, but after being told by the English > Dept to find a > > > > > > > > > different course of study. I was lucky that there was a > more > > > > > > creative > > > > > > > > > "alternative" available or I would probably have quit. I > did see > > > > > > > > > (what seemed to me) the brightest teachers struggling with > the > > > > > > > > > bureaucracy of their profession. But it seems to me we > all struggle > > > > > > > > > with that, even my husband, the Chiropractor, who is in > practice by > > > > > > > > > himself. If we live in community, we adapt to the rules, > regs, > > > > > > norms, > > > > > > > > > laws, while expressing ourselves the best we can. Seems > to me that > > > > > > > > > finding a lasting harmony there is the real trick, no > matter the > > > > > > > > > details of it. > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 1, 3:54 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a sense of doing what seemed right as a cop Allan > - even > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > most situations were difficult to see a right side in. > The academy > > > > > > > > > > stinks as in the State of Denmark and I get to feel the > only thing > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > to retreat to the > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป
