It is the top or head that guides the body.. or are the feet what is responsible in guiding the body,, making all the decisions as to the direction of travel? Allan
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 4:42 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > I've ceased to believe that corruption stems from the top or that the > good leader is as Vam states (though this would be very welcome in > practice). I've generally held to Harry Bosch's (Michael Connelly > detective) motto 'everyone counts or no one does' in my work. I > suspect in me this comes from Xtian stories. If we want decent people > at the top one would expect the values Vam espouses to be those valued > and practiced throughout - in fact we laud something else altogether. > I go with a lot rigsy says on the problem being based in apparently > innocuous practices. Further on, imagine joining a political party > with the idea of becoming a councillor or MP (etc.) It's a total > pain and its also not too hard to imagine how easy it is for money > (and potentially the interests of other governments) can influence the > early selection of candidates. The very structures of organising play > their part - and deeper my guess is we don't need the kind of > leadership that arises in these systems and that is more to do with > our primate past than we know. > > On Feb 3, 12:46 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > Kennedy was also involved in illegal something or other in the stock > > market- one reason he got that financial position is that he knew how > > to manipulate it. Anyway, could never figure his attachment to Gloria > > Swanson (yikes!) while Rose had child after child and retreated to her > > rosary. Well- maybe a rosary is less stressful. :-) > > > > On Feb 3, 1:04 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm that sounds like the much like the US congress.. itis strange > how > > > they amass massive fortunes on a $400,000.oo salaries. {I know Joe > Kennedy > > > was in the whiskery trade > > > when it was on the illegal side. > > > > > the amounts of fortunes politicians gain has got to be comming from > some > > > place .. It is good to hear that Detroit is changing, although I > think the > > > crooks are just out side the door waiting. Maybe all politicians > should > > > have to disclose property and finances for their entire families on a > > > yearly basis making tose record public.. and a department where > > > citizens can go to have the questionable investigated. Corruption in > > > politics is rampant in the US. > > > Allan > > > > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Literally hits home for me, Neil, as Detroit becomes the first US > city > > > > to go bankrupt after years of accepted corruption by a gang of > > > > politicians and cronies accepted by voters until the Feds came in and > > > > the ousting began (thanks to actions by the press, not the Feds > > > > initially.) What is it in each of us that needs to cheat, condemn, > > > > lie, engage cruelty, gossip, etc., Why does it all inspire more of > > > > the same in a group? How do we stop it? Good questions. The answer > > > > to the question "where to begin" might be revealing. > > > > > > On Feb 2, 8:39 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Much to agree with on what we might call fudge and mudge. Things > > > > > certainly seem to have become much worse as the business model and > its > > > > > people have moved in. What I want to know more about is what > > > > > facilitates the corruption and, of course, what might bring it to > an > > > > > end. This should be a key issue in organisational design, but > anti- > > > > > corruption becomes a self-serving bureaucracy in-itself, often > > > > > preventing the actual desired purpose. > > > > > > > One of the naive issues ejucation is replete with is teaching the > > > > > right way to do things without reference to what goes on in actual > > > > > work situations and power-relations. Many of us respond with some > > > > > distress to standard philosophical considerations where the > argument > > > > > made is only possible because of what is excluded. In business > > > > > ejucation this is referred to as the learning transfer problem - > these > > > > > days no one dares to say the 'learning material' itself is a load > of > > > > > tosh (shades of the worst of religion). My mature students, > always a > > > > > source of inspiration, have often said they enjoy being able to > debate > > > > > critical concerns and that they hope I don't expect them to take > this > > > > > into the workplace where this would be an effective job-suicide > note. > > > > > > > Whistle-blowers are now being paid off through compromise > agreements > > > > > even in bodies responsible for supervising complaints and > standards. > > > > > "Harmony" is a hair spray rigsy! Not a bad metaphor for what gets > > > > > sprayed over the problems. My feeling is the rotten orchard needs > > > > > something stronger. The situation is 'Emperor's New Clothes', but > I'm > > > > > afraid the child's voice ending and everything fine after that > can't > > > > > work. > > > > > > > I'm not concerned much on a personal basis, largely on what Molly > > > > > says. I suspect the stuff of this corruption prevents almost all > > > > > practical argument and is what science excludes from its > > > > > considerations. > > > > > > > On Feb 2, 12:32 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes- it is about harmony- understanding it and finding it. > > > > > > > > On Feb 2, 5:44 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I can see that my sense of morality has changed over the years > along > > > > > > > with my relationship to life. Yet at the core of it, is a > sense of > > > > > > > self respect that allowed me to walk away from a couple of > decent > > > > > > > incomes and destructive human relationships because of the > culture of > > > > > > > war they brought with them. Somehow, expressing truth in the > moment > > > > > > > was never enough, the war raged on. In retrospect, I can see > that > > > > > > > what I was walking to when walking away was far better, but at > the > > > > > > > time, the path was forming as my foot hit the exit doorway in > the > > > > > > > walking away. I've never been comfortable in that scenario, > but I > > > > can > > > > > > > now see it has payed off for me in the long run. It always > starts > > > > > > > with listening to my gut. > > > > > > > > > An interesting time we live in, with our education, political > and > > > > > > > financial systems no longer serving us. With eyes blurred from > Rome > > > > > > > burning, it is hard to see what is coming for us. What I do > know is > > > > > > > we are a resilient lot, and something will. The education > system > > > > does > > > > > > > suck, my youngest is still in University and has always > struggled > > > > with > > > > > > > the system. He will get his BA in May with honors, something > he > > > > never > > > > > > > experienced in the younger grades. Somehow, he made it work > out of a > > > > > > > desire for a good life. > > > > > > > > > Myself, I found a way to make it work while still doing my own > thing > > > > > > > in the University, but after being told by the English Dept to > find a > > > > > > > different course of study. I was lucky that there was a more > > > > creative > > > > > > > "alternative" available or I would probably have quit. I did > see > > > > > > > (what seemed to me) the brightest teachers struggling with the > > > > > > > bureaucracy of their profession. But it seems to me we all > struggle > > > > > > > with that, even my husband, the Chiropractor, who is in > practice by > > > > > > > himself. If we live in community, we adapt to the rules, regs, > > > > norms, > > > > > > > laws, while expressing ourselves the best we can. Seems to me > that > > > > > > > finding a lasting harmony there is the real trick, no matter > the > > > > > > > details of it. > > > > > > > > > On Feb 1, 3:54 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I had a sense of doing what seemed right as a cop Allan - > even > > > > though > > > > > > > > most situations were difficult to see a right side in. The > academy > > > > > > > > stinks as in the State of Denmark and I get to feel the only > thing > > > > is > > > > > > > > to retreat to the margins. My working guess is that it's > > > > > > > > "meritocracy" that sucks. > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 1, 8:30 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > not being obnoxious, The that comes to my mind is just > what is > > > > your > > > > > > > > > understanding of morality and how it is applied in ones > life. > > > > > > > > > Understanding morality on a personal level can be quite > > > > difficult, > > > > > > > > > especially if you want it to make sense. > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 7:39 PM, archytas < > [email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I hope to spend the next 5 years "not teaching" - a > difficult > > > > > > > > > > financial decision as this is my 'ready-to-hand' income. > Some > > > > years > > > > > > > > > > back I tried to take and stick to a decision not to teach > > > > 'ideological > > > > > > > > > > rot' - broadly the mainstream of business and economic > > > > subjects. This > > > > > > > > > > might seem a fairly easy personal, moral decision; yet it > > > > isn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > The interesting issues don't concern the easy morality of > > > > doing what's > > > > > > > > > > right. One can find plenty of material, from Critical > Theory > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > to deconstructive approaches to behaviour and critical > > > > psychology - > > > > > > > > > > and once, very critical management books like Peter > Anthony's > > > > > > > > > > 'Foundation of Management' and sort programmes out on the > > > > basis of > > > > > > > > > > these. Thus one could teach material one might feel > credible > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > stretching, broadly aimed at students learning critical > > > > reasoning. I > > > > > > > > > > do offer modules based around writers like David Graeber, > > > > Steve Keen > > > > > > > > > > and modern blogs at the moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > What muddies the waters is a combination of streamlining > costs > > > > in HE > > > > > > > > > > and more or less the extirpation of syllabus control by > > > > academics, > > > > > > > > > > along with a massive dilution of student brain-power and > the > > > > > > > > > > connection of student success with the numbers we pass. > This > > > > > > > > > > situation makes moral judgement very difficult and > academe has > > > > > > > > > > collapsed altogether as a moral place. > > > > > > > > > > > > Economics has long been taught as a science - an utter > farce - > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > management theories are only fit for ridicule > (excellence, > > > > kwality and > > > > > > > > > > anything with 'strategic' in it). The world works around > > > > power and > > > > > > > > > > rhetoric, and this is the only real content of such > "theories". > > > > > > > > > > > > The madness that underlies all this is that we never > address > > > > what the > > > > > > > > > > real issues might be. Accumulated wealth is clearly a > problem > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > democracy as it inevitably means some will benefit by > doing > > > > nothing > > > > > > > > > > while others work and that the wealth will be used to > influence > > > > > > > > > > politics and the very ground of commercial competition. > Yet > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > consideration of this we leap into "theorising" in a > system > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > applauds the creation of excess wealth in few hands as a > > > > 'good'. > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
