war of the world was written in 1898 the radio broadcast was 1938,, HG Wells wrote it Orson Welles presented it as a radio broadcast it was a one hour radio play.. turned out to be a great spoof.
I understood what you meant,, spoofs are extremely hard to write and I wonder if the art of story telling is not becoming lost in favor of the sound bite... there are many great stories being written today, As I am writing this I am wondering if we are not losing the art of listening. Allan On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 3:57 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > You rather make my point Allan. I have a feeling the particular > matter was more about Orson Wells' self-publicity than for real. > Radio remains in my life as it did with The Goon Show and various > similar, including the queer innuendo Round the Horn - Beyond Our Ken > series onto Hitch-hiker. I still love really simple jokes. Upstairs > Downstairs started as quite a political statement before lapsing to > smaltz rigsy. I've been taping Borgen - a Danish political thingy - I > suspect because the Danish actresses look so good. > > On Feb 5, 2:08 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > 70 is the new 50, Allan, in case you hadn't noticed. :-) Some of us > > are lucky in health and looks- it's mostly luck. > > > > On Feb 5, 3:36 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They don't? > > > What about HG Wells radio presentation of "The War of the Worlds"? > > > That was nothing but a spoof and from what I understand it effect many > > > parts of the world including GB. > > > Allan > > > > > Oop sorry Neil you were to young to remember that,, I wonder if Rigsy > was > > > listening? > > > > > On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 2:17 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > My impression is that the spoofs don't get to a lot of people. I > > > > agree the individuality bit Molly. Humour in sit-com had lost it's > > > > bite until The Office. > > > > > > On Feb 4, 4:24 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > there are types of humor that are cruel. I don't think they are > fun > > > > > or funny. I like the absurd, the little twist of view that does > not > > > > > demean, but presents the unexpected in a way that catches us > off-guard > > > > > and allows us to witness our individuality (that we often mistake > for > > > > > a worldview) > > > > > > > On Feb 4, 9:22 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I am increasingly concerned by those who seem to expect moral > > > > > > behaviour in drunken revelry! > > > > > > > > On Feb 4, 2:02 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > There are also "insecurities" when giving definitions! Satire > is > > > > > > > definitely within the genre of comedy. I was trying to stress > the > > > > > > > merry side of humor- funny, as ancient comedy derived from > phallus > > > > > > > rites (Dionysus) and related drunken revels. My first real > term > > > > paper > > > > > > > was on "Lysistrata" (Aristophanes) but I was only 17 so > probably > > > > > > > missed most of the gags to the relief of the nun! :-) Maybe > it's life > > > > > > > that is cruel at times- we're all in a "nice mess". > > > > > > > > > On Feb 3, 11:29 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps only in the way we all have insecurities rigsy - I > find I > > > > want > > > > > > > > to work as though there is some purpose but can broadly cope > with > > > > the > > > > > > > > parochialism of it all with something of a laugh at 'mice > and men'. > > > > > > > > Part of the trick is to do with recognising statements like > 'the > > > > > > > > freedom of the individual' are structured under wider > practice like > > > > > > > > secular democracy and playing the hand you get. > > > > > > > > I spent some time years ago doing evaluation research > (usually into > > > > > > > > management development). It's generally useless stuff any > > > > scientist > > > > > > > > would junk pretty quickly - whatever one focuses on soon > loses its > > > > > > > > meaning in wider society and tends to have been defined > itself in > > > > our > > > > > > > > habits and Idols. If education works at all it has to be > defined > > > > in > > > > > > > > terms of what we are, and general society and its junk are > very > > > > > > > > depressing. We have clearly not produced a widely rational > Demos! > > > > > > > > Humour is a bit of a way in to some of this, yet is also a > means to > > > > > > > > ignore it and reinforce xenophobia. > > > > > > > > There should be insecurity in thinking - for many of the > great > > > > social > > > > > > > > ideas have been utterly flawed. The question is less to do > with > > > > > > > > incredulity towards the grand-narratives (the current worst > > > > obviously > > > > > > > > being unbridled wealth creation) and more with recognising > what we > > > > > > > > have become and how this needs to change without promises of > > > > > > > > salvation. I find this hard enough to bear to need a few > 'larfs'! > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 3, 12:08 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Out of the foggy memory- yes, I think Aristotle's > treatment of > > > > comedy > > > > > > > > > was lost...might have burned in the fire at the Alexandrian > > > > library > > > > > > > > > (?)- heaven only knows what was lost in that sad event- > the cure > > > > for > > > > > > > > > the common cold?//The Papacy set a bad example but doesn't > > > > democracy/ > > > > > > > > > free enterprise do the same?// You don't seem insecure to > me. > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 2, 7:49 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > "Four Lions" is a brilliant piece mocking Islamic > terrorism > > > > from all > > > > > > > > > > sides. I rather like teasing humour and farce. I might > > > > almost be > > > > > > > > > > your mocking friend - I'm insecure enough at times! > Umbero > > > > Eco (Name > > > > > > > > > > of the Rose) had the very existence of an Aristotle text > on > > > > humour as > > > > > > > > > > a threat to the Church. Our current religion is in need > to > > > > mockery. > > > > > > > > > > A system that encourages a vastly wealthy class hardly > sounds > > > > like a > > > > > > > > > > starting point for reasonable equality of opportunity! > Etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 2, 12:11 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satire is meant to bite- so it's not truly comedy, i.e. > > > > scorn versus > > > > > > > > > > > merriement. Yes- I heard ethnic, racial, sexist jokes > > > > growing up but > > > > > > > > > > > they were not mean-spirited then political correctness > > > > pounced though > > > > > > > > > > > now the style in political and social humor is > > > > mockery>distain/ > > > > > > > > > > > contempt. I do like slapstick- another great was Sid > Ceasar- > > > > also Mel > > > > > > > > > > > Brooks maybe Jewish humor derives from their tragic > > > > history, in part. > > > > > > > > > > > As for Kierkegaard, I might have smiled if I could wade > > > > through his > > > > > > > > > > > style- maybe I was not fair with K. One friend still > reminds > > > > me of > > > > > > > > > > > doing the right thing and is grateful that when a > mutual > > > > "friend" > > > > > > > > > > > thought the behavior of the "ex" in a messy divorce was > > > > hysterically > > > > > > > > > > > funny I said this is her life and it is not funny at > all- > > > > there is a > > > > > > > > > > > lot of cruelty found in the "nicest" places sometimes. > > > > Another ex- > > > > > > > > > > > friend is a great mocker- takes on accents and puts on > a > > > > little show > > > > > > > > > > > to illustrate her superiority over others and I don't > doubt > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > > another on her list. But these type are just cruel and > > > > insecure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 1, 8:42 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My child hood was littered with jokes. How do you > keep an > > > > Irishman > > > > > > > > > > > > busy all day - put him in a barrel and tell him to > > > > micturate in the > > > > > > > > > > > > corner. The Germans bombed our chip shop and had no > sense > > > > of humour. > > > > > > > > > > > > In France, the Belgians are the butt or "Irish" > jokes; > > > > elsewhere the > > > > > > > > > > > > Poles. Jokes often rely on 'taking the Micky' - > > > > ridiculing someone > > > > > > > > > > > > else. In Englishmen, Scotsmen and Irishmen jokes it > was > > > > common for > > > > > > > > > > > > the English and Scots to be the suckers to a sharp > and > > > > cunning > > > > > > > > > > > > Irishman. Even the holocaust has been subject to > joking - > > > > often by > > > > > > > > > > > > the victims. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have taught Kierkegaard as an example of dark, > lengthy > > > > Danish humour > > > > > > > > > > > > (and can point to books on same). There is an > affinity in > > > > his work > > > > > > > > > > > > with the Monty Python poverty joke in which each in > turn > > > > recalls a > > > > > > > > > > > > childhoods in greater poverty than the last. > Eventually, > > > > just as one > > > > > > > > > > > > thinks the guy claiming to have lived in a shoebox > on the > > > > central > > > > > > > > > > > > reservation of the M6 has 'won' the game another > bloke > > > > says, > > > > > > > > > > > > "Shoebox? You had a shoebox. Luxury!" Kierkegaard > does > > > > this with > > > > > > > > > > > > Christianity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My own humour is dark, but it's rare I mean anyone > harm. > > > > I used to > > > > > > > > > > > > think that satire offered some hope of change, but in > > > > recent years > > > > > > > > > > > > have come to see it as merely part of the problems we > > > > have. It is of > > > > > > > > > > > > the Establishment and feigns resistance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think humour might be part of a way out of chronic > > > > illusion; but it > > > > > > > > > > > > is often merely cruel and parochial.- Hide quoted > text - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > |_D Allan > > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
