Very Nice,, wonder where I can get home grown spaghetti?
Allan (".)
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
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> On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> war of the world was written in 1898 the radio broadcast was 1938,,
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>> HG Wells wrote it Orson Welles presented it as a radio broadcast it was a
>> one hour radio play.. turned out to be a great spoof.
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>> I understood what you meant,, spoofs are extremely hard to write and I
>> wonder if the art of story telling is not becoming lost in favor of the
>> sound bite... there are many great stories being written today,
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>> As I am writing this I am wondering if we are not losing the art of
>> listening.
>> Allan
>>
>> Pretty much probably. I believe WOTW(radio broadcast) was a dramatization
> that went awry. Seems some folks took it seriously. Not meant as a spoof at
> all just good ol' entertainment. Even had bits at the beginning and before
> and after commercials telling listeners that it was a dramatization and not
> real. Which just goes to show folks weren't very good listeners back in '38
> either.
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> The mass joke I like the best was some network TV outfit decided it would
> be hilarious to have footage of folks cutting down spaghetti from
> "spaghetti trees" in Italy. Where else but GB could this get pulled off?
> April Fools joke that fell flat. The folks fooled were NOT amused.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27ugSKW4-QQ
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> dj
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> dj
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>> On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 3:57 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>> You rather make my point Allan. I have a feeling the particular
>>> matter was more about Orson Wells' self-publicity than for real.
>>> Radio remains in my life as it did with The Goon Show and various
>>> similar, including the queer innuendo Round the Horn - Beyond Our Ken
>>> series onto Hitch-hiker. I still love really simple jokes. Upstairs
>>> Downstairs started as quite a political statement before lapsing to
>>> smaltz rigsy. I've been taping Borgen - a Danish political thingy - I
>>> suspect because the Danish actresses look so good.
>>>
>>> On Feb 5, 2:08 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > 70 is the new 50, Allan, in case you hadn't noticed. :-) Some of us
>>> > are lucky in health and looks- it's mostly luck.
>>> >
>>> > On Feb 5, 3:36 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > > They don't?
>>> > > What about HG Wells radio presentation of "The War of the Worlds"?
>>> > > That was nothing but a spoof and from what I understand it effect
>>> many
>>> > > parts of the world including GB.
>>> > > Allan
>>> >
>>> > > Oop sorry Neil you were to young to remember that,, I wonder if
>>> Rigsy was
>>> > > listening?
>>> >
>>> > > On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 2:17 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > > > My impression is that the spoofs don't get to a lot of people. I
>>> > > > agree the individuality bit Molly. Humour in sit-com had lost it's
>>> > > > bite until The Office.
>>> >
>>> > > > On Feb 4, 4:24 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > > > > there are types of humor that are cruel. I don't think they are
>>> fun
>>> > > > > or funny. I like the absurd, the little twist of view that does
>>> not
>>> > > > > demean, but presents the unexpected in a way that catches us
>>> off-guard
>>> > > > > and allows us to witness our individuality (that we often
>>> mistake for
>>> > > > > a worldview)
>>> >
>>> > > > > On Feb 4, 9:22 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > > > > I am increasingly concerned by those who seem to expect moral
>>> > > > > > behaviour in drunken revelry!
>>> >
>>> > > > > > On Feb 4, 2:02 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > > > > > There are also "insecurities" when giving definitions!
>>> Satire is
>>> > > > > > > definitely within the genre of comedy. I was trying to
>>> stress the
>>> > > > > > > merry side of humor- funny, as ancient comedy derived from
>>> phallus
>>> > > > > > > rites (Dionysus) and related drunken revels. My first real
>>> term
>>> > > > paper
>>> > > > > > > was on "Lysistrata" (Aristophanes) but I was only 17 so
>>> probably
>>> > > > > > > missed most of the gags to the relief of the nun! :-) Maybe
>>> it's life
>>> > > > > > > that is cruel at times- we're all in a "nice mess".
>>> >
>>> > > > > > > On Feb 3, 11:29 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > > > > > > Perhaps only in the way we all have insecurities rigsy - I
>>> find I
>>> > > > want
>>> > > > > > > > to work as though there is some purpose but can broadly
>>> cope with
>>> > > > the
>>> > > > > > > > parochialism of it all with something of a laugh at 'mice
>>> and men'.
>>> > > > > > > > Part of the trick is to do with recognising statements
>>> like 'the
>>> > > > > > > > freedom of the individual' are structured under wider
>>> practice like
>>> > > > > > > > secular democracy and playing the hand you get.
>>> > > > > > > > I spent some time years ago doing evaluation research
>>> (usually into
>>> > > > > > > > management development). It's generally useless stuff any
>>> > > > scientist
>>> > > > > > > > would junk pretty quickly - whatever one focuses on soon
>>> loses its
>>> > > > > > > > meaning in wider society and tends to have been defined
>>> itself in
>>> > > > our
>>> > > > > > > > habits and Idols. If education works at all it has to be
>>> defined
>>> > > > in
>>> > > > > > > > terms of what we are, and general society and its junk are
>>> very
>>> > > > > > > > depressing. We have clearly not produced a widely
>>> rational Demos!
>>> > > > > > > > Humour is a bit of a way in to some of this, yet is also a
>>> means to
>>> > > > > > > > ignore it and reinforce xenophobia.
>>> > > > > > > > There should be insecurity in thinking - for many of the
>>> great
>>> > > > social
>>> > > > > > > > ideas have been utterly flawed. The question is less to
>>> do with
>>> > > > > > > > incredulity towards the grand-narratives (the current worst
>>> > > > obviously
>>> > > > > > > > being unbridled wealth creation) and more with recognising
>>> what we
>>> > > > > > > > have become and how this needs to change without promises
>>> of
>>> > > > > > > > salvation. I find this hard enough to bear to need a few
>>> 'larfs'!
>>> >
>>> > > > > > > > On Feb 3, 12:08 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > Out of the foggy memory- yes, I think Aristotle's
>>> treatment of
>>> > > > comedy
>>> > > > > > > > > was lost...might have burned in the fire at the
>>> Alexandrian
>>> > > > library
>>> > > > > > > > > (?)- heaven only knows what was lost in that sad event-
>>> the cure
>>> > > > for
>>> > > > > > > > > the common cold?//The Papacy set a bad example but
>>> doesn't
>>> > > > democracy/
>>> > > > > > > > > free enterprise do the same?// You don't seem insecure
>>> to me.
>>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > On Feb 2, 7:49 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > "Four Lions" is a brilliant piece mocking Islamic
>>> terrorism
>>> > > > from all
>>> > > > > > > > > > sides. I rather like teasing humour and farce. I
>>> might
>>> > > > almost be
>>> > > > > > > > > > your mocking friend - I'm insecure enough at times!
>>> Umbero
>>> > > > Eco (Name
>>> > > > > > > > > > of the Rose) had the very existence of an Aristotle
>>> text on
>>> > > > humour as
>>> > > > > > > > > > a threat to the Church. Our current religion is in
>>> need to
>>> > > > mockery.
>>> > > > > > > > > > A system that encourages a vastly wealthy class hardly
>>> sounds
>>> > > > like a
>>> > > > > > > > > > starting point for reasonable equality of opportunity!
>>> Etc.
>>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > On Feb 2, 12:11 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > Satire is meant to bite- so it's not truly comedy,
>>> i.e.
>>> > > > scorn versus
>>> > > > > > > > > > > merriement. Yes- I heard ethnic, racial, sexist jokes
>>> > > > growing up but
>>> > > > > > > > > > > they were not mean-spirited then political
>>> correctness
>>> > > > pounced though
>>> > > > > > > > > > > now the style in political and social humor is
>>> > > > mockery>distain/
>>> > > > > > > > > > > contempt. I do like slapstick- another great was Sid
>>> Ceasar-
>>> > > > also Mel
>>> > > > > > > > > > > Brooks maybe Jewish humor derives from their tragic
>>> > > > history, in part.
>>> > > > > > > > > > > As for Kierkegaard, I might have smiled if I could
>>> wade
>>> > > > through his
>>> > > > > > > > > > > style- maybe I was not fair with K. One friend still
>>> reminds
>>> > > > me of
>>> > > > > > > > > > > doing the right thing and is grateful that when a
>>> mutual
>>> > > > "friend"
>>> > > > > > > > > > > thought the behavior of the "ex" in a messy divorce
>>> was
>>> > > > hysterically
>>> > > > > > > > > > > funny I said this is her life and it is not funny at
>>> all-
>>> > > > there is a
>>> > > > > > > > > > > lot of cruelty found in the "nicest" places
>>> sometimes.
>>> > > > Another ex-
>>> > > > > > > > > > > friend is a great mocker- takes on accents and puts
>>> on a
>>> > > > little show
>>> > > > > > > > > > > to illustrate her superiority over others and I
>>> don't doubt
>>> > > > I am
>>> > > > > > > > > > > another on her list. But these type are just cruel
>>> and
>>> > > > insecure.
>>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 1, 8:42 am, archytas <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > My child hood was littered with jokes. How do you
>>> keep an
>>> > > > Irishman
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > busy all day - put him in a barrel and tell him to
>>> > > > micturate in the
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > corner. The Germans bombed our chip shop and had
>>> no sense
>>> > > > of humour.
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > In France, the Belgians are the butt or "Irish"
>>> jokes;
>>> > > > elsewhere the
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > Poles. Jokes often rely on 'taking the Micky' -
>>> > > > ridiculing someone
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > else. In Englishmen, Scotsmen and Irishmen jokes
>>> it was
>>> > > > common for
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > the English and Scots to be the suckers to a sharp
>>> and
>>> > > > cunning
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > Irishman. Even the holocaust has been subject to
>>> joking -
>>> > > > often by
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > the victims.
>>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > I have taught Kierkegaard as an example of dark,
>>> lengthy
>>> > > > Danish humour
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > (and can point to books on same). There is an
>>> affinity in
>>> > > > his work
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > with the Monty Python poverty joke in which each
>>> in turn
>>> > > > recalls a
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > childhoods in greater poverty than the last.
>>> Eventually,
>>> > > > just as one
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > thinks the guy claiming to have lived in a shoebox
>>> on the
>>> > > > central
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > reservation of the M6 has 'won' the game another
>>> bloke
>>> > > > says,
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > "Shoebox? You had a shoebox. Luxury!"
>>> Kierkegaard does
>>> > > > this with
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > Christianity.
>>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > My own humour is dark, but it's rare I mean anyone
>>> harm.
>>> > > > I used to
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > think that satire offered some hope of change, but
>>> in
>>> > > > recent years
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > have come to see it as merely part of the problems
>>> we
>>> > > > have. It is of
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > the Establishment and feigns resistance.
>>> >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > I think humour might be part of a way out of
>>> chronic
>>> > > > illusion; but it
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > is often merely cruel and parochial.- Hide quoted
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>>> > > --
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>>> > > |_D Allan
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>>> > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.- Hide quoted text -
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>> |_D Allan
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>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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