What we are encouraged to forget is that we can do the work James - and that we can establish what needs doing. There is no shortage of resources in this sense, only the libidinal strain of some to hog them. There is a return of this desire in wanting a fairer, more rational world that needs to be avoided. The idea has to be about more than control.
On Feb 19, 2:57 am, James Lynch <[email protected]> wrote: > Happiness is just another thing, and belief, but the romanticized > ideal and divine this or that if they are not simply ours, I mean > sourced/found within, the most we could hope for is to get drugged in > the play of emulation. So lets wax on, spit polish our brilliant ego > because that shiny car makes up for the void that is our existence. > > I am thinking when we are ready to say to hell with the world that > promises free delivery with purchase of meaning and happiness should > be about the right time for us to take seriously what work is required > to create it. Our world thrives on human waste, people as a means to > an end of various systems (Soylent Green). Some say there was and > always will be a majority of emulators striving to reconcile ignorance > when faced with the novel or excellent, if you read the cult tripe it > is all so lofty but direct speech has always conveyed someone just > doing their own thing despite convention or the status quo. Just being > real, imagine that a novel innovation! The void mentioned is left I > guess by removing the real, and replaced by taking part in everything > as creative beings seeking conduits for our will to power. There is no > shortage of neglect, hunger, pain or misery in the world- what meaning > would be greater than our common destiny toward excellence as a > species? (dangerous words, I know) I think you could apply the libido > to this Neil, with the primitive mind just use guidance and > redirection, you get limitless output. But to choose the ends of that > output INTENTIONALLY, that is real Gold, transubstantiation of > 'biblical' proportions. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 4:59 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > And the temptation is to give up to some form of bliss or other > > potential deception. Much of what is supposed to satisfy us as > > purpose in life turns out not very fulfilling - marriage, family and > > so on have limitations; we are alienated from work. > > > On Feb 18, 9:08 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> And in the sense above I'm always struck that any being involved in > >> the design of us in nature does not have to take on omniscience This > >> and the Dawkins' stop on why questions seem cop-outs to me. > > >> On Feb 18, 8:38 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > I'm struck that nature can do all kinds of stuff we can't. We can > >> > trace our history in nature to a point when we don't exist other than > >> > (possibly) an unfolding design. We have little clue on purpose other > >> > than in weak forms operationally defined or told in stories involving > >> > omnipotent blue and white rabbits, mediated by talking snakes and > >> > salamanders hidden in hats. Gods figure large but we don't meet any > >> > in demonstration. What speculation on purpose is possible on this? > >> > One aspect that interests me is what reason would 'send us here' > >> > without purpose information and yet an apparent built-in quest for it. > > >> > On Feb 16, 6:43 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > Rigsy all believes can actually be stretched to paganism... depends > >> > > on how > >> > > you examine them. > >> > > Allan > > >> > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 2:35 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > Our ethical systems evolved from paganism. Maybe "evolved" is a > >> > > > stretch. > > >> > > > On Feb 15, 4:59 pm, Eman Abdulla <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > Maybe not to some,but one could argue that finding God is the > >> > > > > ultimate > >> > > > > moral act because one gives recognition and gratitude to the One > >> > > > > who > >> > > > > provided life, opportunity to experience the world and really > >> > > > > everything else. I realize that people believe in God for so many > >> > > > > reasons, but ultimately one has to think it is the truth in order > >> > > > > to > >> > > > > embrace it. > > >> > > > > On 2/15/12, gwilliamsny11 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > I appreciate Eman's perspective re the experience of God leading > >> > > > > > to > >> > > > wanting > >> > > > > > to make the world a better place. However > > >> > > > > > I am of the opinion that connection with "God" is not necessary > >> > > > > > to > >> > > > live an > >> > > > > > ethical life. For me whether there is a God in the sense of > > >> > > > > > a supreme Goodness, Truth, originator of divine wisdom, all > >> > > > > > powerful > >> > > > etc. > >> > > > > > isn't all that important. The fact that there is continuing > > >> > > > > > suffering, apparent injustices on a world wide scale, > >> > > > > > fundamental > >> > > > > > unfairness, random good and or bad luck - limited control over > >> > > > > > one's > > >> > > > > > destiny and a multitude of additional realistic limitations > >> > > > > > plus the > >> > > > fact > >> > > > > > of human creativity means to me that each of us has a core choice > > >> > > > > > to live an artistic ethical life in promoting that which is > >> > > > constructive, or > >> > > > > > cave into cynicism and a lazy what the hell attitude of > >> > > > > > everything is > > >> > > > > > equal so in the end nothing really matters very much. > > >> > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > > > > From: Eman Abdulla <[email protected]> > >> > > > > > To: minds-eye <[email protected]> > >> > > > > > Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 10:54 am > >> > > > > > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Life's Purpose > > >> > > > > > There is room for variation and idiosyncrasies as to the meaning > >> > > > > > of > >> > > > > > life for each of us, each within his/her angle of the world and > >> > > > > > inner > >> > > > > > dynamics. I do believe, however, that a general view of the > >> > > > > > purpose of > >> > > > > > life can be twofold: one aesthetic, and one ethical. Thoughtfully > >> > > > > > savoring life with all it has to offer to the best of our > >> > > > > > abilities > >> > > > > > and marveling in the magnificence and uniqueness of our > >> > > > > > existence can > >> > > > > > be an end in itself. Ethically, we need to try to make the world > >> > > > > > better with than without us, each within their means. To connect > >> > > > > > both > >> > > > > > ethics and aesthetics, human beings are endowed with such > >> > > > > > incessant > >> > > > > > thirst for knowledge and pursuit of truths of their existence > >> > > > > > and the > >> > > > > > world they inhabit. I think that under that bridge between > >> > > > > > marveling > >> > > > > > in the wonders of life, and making a positive imprint on it, lie > >> > > > > > much > >> > > > > > of the sciences, arts , and even religions that human beings have > >> > > > > > created, developed and pursued since the dawns of their > >> > > > > > existence as a > >> > > > > > species. Being a Muslim, I will add that to me pesonally, > >> > > > > > finding God > >> > > > > > through His magnificent and complex creation is a purpose that I > >> > > > > > place > >> > > > > > within the first category , which had to do with experiencing > >> > > > > > life, > >> > > > > > but once God is found, it leads up to the second layer, which is > >> > > > > > trying to make the world a better place, or at least preserve > >> > > > > > what is > >> > > > > > good about it. > > >> > > > > > On 2/15/12, gwilliamsny11 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > >> After 75 years of experience on this earth plane here is my > >> > > > conclusion as > >> > > > > >> to > >> > > > > >> the meaning of -at least - my life: > > >> > > > > >> Living from day to day confronts us with a never ending array of > >> > > > problems > >> > > > > >> ranging from practical issues such as > > >> > > > > >> what is on the top of my to do list - to philosophical such as > >> > > > > >> why am > >> > > > I > >> > > > > >> bothering to get up at all - to urgent: I have to do something > > >> > > > > >> about the pain in my tooth- > > >> > > > > >> Since I am preoccupied with one or more problems to be solved > >> > > > > >> and it > >> > > > gives > >> > > > > >> me satisfaction to master each and all of them --it follows > > >> > > > > >> that the good life must be concerned with becoming an expert > >> > > > > >> problem > >> > > > > >> solver. > > >> > > > > >> Adopting this ethic reinforces my interests in science > >> > > > > >> (particularly > >> > > > > >> scientific method); philosophical theory and discourse > >> > > > > >> (particularly > > >> > > > > >> Spinoza, the Pragmatists, Socrates, Plato and Aristotle); > >> > > > > >> continuing > >> > > > to > >> > > > > >> examine the implications of viewing the nature of meaningful > > >> > > > > >> coincidences from two alternative perspectives (Jung: mystical > >> > > > magical > >> > > > > >> transcendent collective unconscious and G Williams > > >> > > > > >> naturalistic, personal unconscious, by products of the > >> > > > > >> idiosyncratic > >> > > > > >> creative process); depth psychology notably Freudian > > >> > > > > >> classical psychoanalysis, British Object Relations theorists > >> > > > especially > >> > > > > >> Guntrip, Winnicott etc); continued learning about the nature of > > >> > > > > >> psychodynamics; continuing learning about the nature of the > >> > > > > >> self and > >> > > > how > >> > > > > >> it > >> > > > > >> develops (particularly Spitz, The First Year of Life) - > >> > > > > >> Freiberg: > > >> > > > > >> The Magic Years; and adopting the seminal incite that the key > >> > > > > >> to > >> > > > > >> emotional > >> > > > > >> success is adopting and practicing the discovery that the > > >> > > > > >> best attitude to coping with the daily experiences of anxiety, > >> > > > > >> depression, > >> > > > > >> frustration and stress (tension) is an attitude of bring them on > > >> > > > > >> and I will tolerate them the best I can which is essentially > >> > > > > >> the > >> > > > > >> concluding > >> > > > > >> message of Molly Bloom in Joyce's must read classic: > > >> > > > > >> Ulysses - that after a life time of experience much of it > >> > > > > >> traumatic > >> > > > she > >> > > > > >> sums > >> > > > > >> up with yes, yes, yes, yes yes yes, again yes. Top that ethic > > >> > > > > >> if you can. > > >> > > > > >> Gibbs A. Williams gibbsonline. com > > >> > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > > > > >> From: pol.science kid <[email protected]> > >> > > > > >> To: minds-eye <[email protected]> > >> > > > > >> Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 11:53 pm > >> > > > > >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Life's Purpose > > >> > > > > >> Do you mean ... to always do the right thing?.... > > >> > > > > >> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 3:37 AM, gabbydott <[email protected]> > >> > > > wrote: > > ... > > read more »
