There is a matter of the intensity of the senses and the level of intelligence , but , my friend , crows are beings and not machines - ah , robots.
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > Ahhhh RP! You don't change at all sir do you. > > There are of course many, many people and soooo much literature that > disagrees with your wishy washyness here. So much of it in fact that I > don't even feel the need to defend my stance at all. So let me just finish > by asking you two questions. > > Are crows conscious? > > Is a crows consciousness the same as a humans? > > > > On Wednesday, 24 October 2012 17:08:51 UTC+1, RP Singh wrote: >> >> That which exist is Being , and consciousness does't have levels but >> parameters -- sound , sight , etc. >> >> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > The we disagree again RP. Unless you and I have differing concepts on >> > what >> > consciousness is? My cats are conscious, would they have an >> > understanding >> > of God as a human does? I suspect not, but they are surely conscious >> > creatures. It may be that I infer I am currently in discourse with >> > another >> > conscious entity, but I'd rather say it is empirically correct that I am >> > doing so rather than it is an inference that I can make. After all are >> > we >> > not members of the same species? Without being too general, I think >> > such >> > inferences that I can make about myself as a human must also hold true >> > for >> > other humans. I must breathe to live, so can I infer that others of my >> > species must also do the same, or can I claim knowledge that it is true? >> > >> > I get what you mean of course, I can ever only really say I think, >> > therefore >> > I am. However when an inference takes place day in and day out, I think >> > it >> > better to regard such 'truth' as knowledge. Thus I know you are >> > conscious, >> > as you are human, and I know I am conscious. My cats show all the signs >> > of >> > being conscious and indeed as you would expect of conscious beings. the >> > both exhibit different attitudes and personalities. >> > >> > So once again we are back to the following two questions. What do you >> > mean >> > by 'being', and at what level of 'consciousness' does this proof of >> > yours >> > need to be, to be proof? >> > >> > >> > On Wednesday, 24 October 2012 12:20:34 UTC+1, RP Singh wrote: >> >> >> >> As far as a person is concerned , there is only one consciousness , >> >> that is , his. Others are inferred, as also the existence of god. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Meh! I know plankton exist, is it conscious, or would you not call it >> >> > a >> >> > being? Or perhaps we can discuss levels of consciousness? Nope I >> >> > can't >> >> > get >> >> > with this argument RP, far too many holes in it. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Sunday, 23 September 2012 15:20:45 UTC+1, RP Singh wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Conscious beings are a proof of God because otherwise an unconscious >> >> >> Being >> >> >> could not be said to exist. Existence is the seed which finds its >> >> >> growth in >> >> >> life. >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > >> > > > -- > > > --
