Hey Gabs! I know RP and his wishy washy ways, I do not believe that is what he wants me to do at all.
I have just re-read my questions to him and they need no redefining at all, RP is merely being RP! I mean look at them questions. Are crows conscious? It's either yes or no isn't it. On Wednesday, 24 October 2012 17:32:38 UTC+1, gabbydott wrote: > > Welcome back, Lee! Good to hear your voice again! - Now, what RP is > saying, is, that you need to redefine your question if you want to > receive a response that makes sense to you. You can ask, and that is > actually being done by scientists as well as poets, what are crows > aware of? and then start you apparatus of measuring and evaluating. > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Lee Douglas > <[email protected]<javascript:>> > wrote: > > Ahhhh RP! You don't change at all sir do you. > > > > There are of course many, many people and soooo much literature that > > disagrees with your wishy washyness here. So much of it in fact that I > > don't even feel the need to defend my stance at all. So let me just > finish > > by asking you two questions. > > > > Are crows conscious? > > > > Is a crows consciousness the same as a humans? > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, 24 October 2012 17:08:51 UTC+1, RP Singh wrote: > >> > >> That which exist is Being , and consciousness does't have levels but > >> parameters -- sound , sight , etc. > >> > >> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > The we disagree again RP. Unless you and I have differing concepts > on > >> > what > >> > consciousness is? My cats are conscious, would they have an > >> > understanding > >> > of God as a human does? I suspect not, but they are surely conscious > >> > creatures. It may be that I infer I am currently in discourse with > >> > another > >> > conscious entity, but I'd rather say it is empirically correct that I > am > >> > doing so rather than it is an inference that I can make. After all > are > >> > we > >> > not members of the same species? Without being too general, I think > >> > such > >> > inferences that I can make about myself as a human must also hold > true > >> > for > >> > other humans. I must breathe to live, so can I infer that others of > my > >> > species must also do the same, or can I claim knowledge that it is > true? > >> > > >> > I get what you mean of course, I can ever only really say I think, > >> > therefore > >> > I am. However when an inference takes place day in and day out, I > think > >> > it > >> > better to regard such 'truth' as knowledge. Thus I know you are > >> > conscious, > >> > as you are human, and I know I am conscious. My cats show all the > signs > >> > of > >> > being conscious and indeed as you would expect of conscious beings. > the > >> > both exhibit different attitudes and personalities. > >> > > >> > So once again we are back to the following two questions. What do > you > >> > mean > >> > by 'being', and at what level of 'consciousness' does this proof of > >> > yours > >> > need to be, to be proof? > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wednesday, 24 October 2012 12:20:34 UTC+1, RP Singh wrote: > >> >> > >> >> As far as a person is concerned , there is only one consciousness , > >> >> that is , his. Others are inferred, as also the existence of god. > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > Meh! I know plankton exist, is it conscious, or would you not call > it > >> >> > a > >> >> > being? Or perhaps we can discuss levels of consciousness? Nope I > >> >> > can't > >> >> > get > >> >> > with this argument RP, far too many holes in it. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On Sunday, 23 September 2012 15:20:45 UTC+1, RP Singh wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Conscious beings are a proof of God because otherwise an > unconscious > >> >> >> Being > >> >> >> could not be said to exist. Existence is the seed which finds its > >> >> >> growth in > >> >> >> life. > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > -- > > > > > > > --
