There are many "beliefs" that are false and unreasonable. Humans can be very gullible.
On Oct 28, 12:20 pm, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > Well that is true Rigsy, and perhaps your prediction is also true. However > religious faith is 'unreasonable' belief. As it is my stance that we all > hold to some of these along the way, then perhaps it is a wholly > human/sentient being trait and we'll not be rid of it, only time will tell. > Just one of the reasons I want to reach at least 400 years old. > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:52:50 PM UTC, rigsy03 wrote: > > > Really? What about the Italian scientists who face prison time for > > failing to predict the severity of an earthquake? What harmony under > > the mantle of monotheism? Science and technology will make god(s) > > obsolete and society can still be managed through various value > > systems based on new realities and methods of control. Presently, we > > are trying to integrate two oppositional positions which accounts for > > a good amount of absurdity and disappointment. As extinct creatures > > might have warned us, sentimentality is deadly. > > > On Oct 28, 2:12 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I really do not see much beyond monotheism atheism holds little but > > > wishful madness, and as for polytheism the universes would be totally > > > different.. Just doesn't work.. You are right arrogance is a > > > tremendous problem which I seriously doubt man will over come.. those > > > that are arrogant have little reason to change.. It is the monotheism > > > that keeps some what harmony,, the problems I see come from man > > > changing the laws of God that have been handed down through the > > > generations .. It seems these changes are really designed to benefit > > > them and their goals. > > > > without a singular God there would be no harmony even with in nature > > > and the predictability of science would disappear. > > > Allan > > > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 4:12 AM, James <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I agree with S. W. Hawking where this is unknown territory, we have a > > > > tendency to being destructive and careless. We must evolve if we wish > > to > > > > survive, boldly while trying to work out that Achilles heel > > (arrogance). > > > > > Allan I was thinking similarly in part, I am not so sure monotheism is > > for > > > > everyone though. Where people can devise stories to fit a niche in > > nature, > > > > then further reconcile from that I think there is much less to say on > > God > > > > than people might, it may even be sacrilege to do so. In the sense of > > > > attempting authority on the nameless, a belligerent act so to speak. > > > > Agrarian civilization, centralization of authority, and cultural > > homogeneity > > > > (dare add monotheism) have allowed us to achieve major advancements > > but I > > > > question that we are approaching or even on track with a 'destination > > > > truth'. It seems we are a hollow shell filled with culture, but > > shouldn't it > > > > be the other way around?! > > > > > I keep looking, but I'm just not seeing that 10% innovation in the > > > > population, there is some serious parasitic drag somewhere in our > > equations. > > > > Sorry so subjective tonight Al. :) > > > > > On 10/26/2012 1:12 PM, Allan H wrote: > > > > >> The foundations of most of the religions are not that far apart.. it > > is > > > >> the interpretation of them that gets the idea screwed up.. It seems > > > >> though that the creator places people that have a better link and can > > > >> help straighten the cultures so there is hope as to maintain the > > same > > > >> ideas. so I think that there us a very real possibility that common > > > >> ground is available. > > > > >> poking a nd prodding out of curiosity is to be expected it is called > > > >> curiosity. > > > >> Allan > > > > >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light > > > > >> On Oct 26, 2012 3:18 PM, "Lee Douglas" <[email protected] > > > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > >> Ohhh I don't know Andrew. > > > > >> As I have said we can of course speculate on all sorts of things > > > >> about alien life, but seeing as we can only ever think about from > > > >> our particular species POV, I question how useful such > > speculation > > > >> would be. I think the most logical deduction we could make is to > > > >> say 'Well I really don't know', and that is indeed my line. > > > > >> Heh of course having said that and in the spirit of pure > > > >> speculation, given that our current understanding of universal > > > >> principles, and laws of physics etc.. seem to encompass the > > totality > > > >> of the universe, I do not think it incorrect to draw some > > > >> speculative conclusions. > > > > >> Would alien lifeforms be carbon based as on our planet? I > > > >> suspect probably yes, but there are reasons enough to suppose > > > >> otherwise also. > > > > >> Would then non carbon life forms form different morality than > > carbon > > > >> based life forms? Umm well I'm going with 'I don't know' for > > this > > > >> one, as I lack an in depth understanding of neurology. > > > > >> As a theist who believes in a single creator God though I would > > have > > > >> to agree with Allan. > > > > >> A large part of my struggle is with the message of God. Trying > > to > > > >> recompense different religions with this single message is hard. > > I > > > >> try to imagine that all religions are valid and look for > > > >> the similarities, I rather suspect as I grow I will have to claim > > > >> that some are wholly false and man made whilst others are > > > >> the direct message from God albeit fucked with by mankind for his > > > >> own nefarious ends(Christianity for example). So then the job > > > >> becomes separating the wheat from the chaff, as it were. > > > > >> How would intelligent alien life cope with God's message I > > wonder, > > > >> and would they be in the boat as we? Perhaps they have no idea of > > a > > > >> God at all? Or perhaps they may be the only beings who hold to > > the > > > >> truth? Ahhh once again, I'm forced to say I don't know. > > > > >> Let us endeavour to understand the other sentient creatures we > > share > > > >> this planet with first, then just maybe we can make better > > educated > > > >> guesses. > > > > >> Heh yes you can assume from that I am in favour of granting > > > >> personhood upon those 'higher order' animals, enshrouded in law. > > > > >> On Friday, 26 October 2012 10:22:52 UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote: > > > > >> I agree. Extra terrestrial visitors to earth would not be > > > >> comparable to us. They would have different values and > > morals. > > > >> They would find all life sacred and would respect it, no > > matter > > > >> how depraved or primitive. Perhaps they were the ones who > > seeded > > > >> earth in the first place. They would probably recognize our > > > >> weaknesses and would let us either survive to our next stage > > or > > > >> let us destroy ourselves. > > > > >> On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 1:19:42 PM UTC+2, William L. > > > >> Houts William L. Houts Lukaeon William L. Houts wrote: > > > > >> All right, I just wanted to run this by you guys. I know > > it > > > >> seems I'm > > > >> always rattlling on about aliens, but they're really a > > stand > > > >> in for, > > > >> well, for a lot of things. Anyway, I've been on Facebook > > > >> and recently > > > >> made a status report commenting on the conversation we > > had > > > >> going on here > > > >> about hypothetical aliens and what they might or might > > not > > > >> want from > > > >> us. And I was making the point that I made here: that > > said > > > >> aliens will > > > >> turn out to be just as befuddled by it all as we are, and > > > >> are probably > > > >> in no position to give us the goods on life's mysteries, > > or > > > >> even make a > > > >> good cocktail. > > > > >> Now, my friend Matt, who is very smart but also very > > bitchy, > > > >> put forth > > > >> Professor Hawking's notion: that we'd better keep our > > heads > > > >> down low, > > > >> because history tells us that when a more technologically > > > >> advanced > > > >> species meets a less developed one, the results are > > usually > > > >> horrible for > > > >> the latter. I replied that yes, this does seem to be the > > > >> pattern in > > > >> Earth history. But, I went on, races which manage to > > break > > > >> the > > > >> lightspeed barrier are going to have better things to do > > > >> than enslave 7 > > > >> billion people, or even mistreat them very much. Their > > > >> energy problems, > > > >> I said more or less, will have been solved to such an > > extent > > > >> that they > > > >> won't have to vampirize us. Matt made it clear that he > > > >> thought I was > > > >> being terrifically naive. > > > > >> Now, Mat is quickly becoming a sour old queen, but I want > > to > > > >> know: with > > > >> whom would you agree? Or is there a third answer which I > > > >> haven't > > > >> proposed here? > > > > >> --Bill > > > > >> -- > > > >> "I just flew in from the Land of the Dead > > > >> and boy are my arms tired." > > > > >> -- > > > > >> -- > > > > > -- > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > |_D Allan > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > > > I am a Natural Airgunner - > > > > Full of Hot Air & Ready To > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --
