Gabby's conference suggestion is actually at - http://www.acla.org/acla2013/propose-a-paper-or-seminar/ - I'll thrash out an abstract or send them a diagramme of an inter-galactic pulley system.
On 29 Oct, 19:02, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > The Golden Way out of deference? Yes, that's probably the meaning > Molly is trying to convey. Thanks, Allan. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > Gabby one of the major deference between me and christianity is I see > > God as what makes up my being,, I do not see God as being else where. > > I am expected to live up to my beliefs not making excuses to justify > > violating those rules. > > Allan > > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:24 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Oh, hi Molly! Yes, it's true, I dared to read the bible on the same > >> level as fairy tales. My Protestant nature, I guess. Going out, > >> looking out, speaking out is part of that tradition too. What is it in > >> your life that makes you being different? > > >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> Looking for God outside oneself can lead to magical gang gods at a level > >>> where only the fit and corrupt survive. Many fairy tales are imbued with > >>> mystical thinking, including the bible. > > >>> On Monday, October 29, 2012 5:20:17 AM UTC-4, gabbydott wrote: > > >>>> I don't know why these far-away and up-above gods and godesses never > >>>> really made it into my heart. Maybe the down-to-earth fairy tales > >>>> resembled my surroundings much more. It gives me the creeps when > >>>> little street gangstas are referring to Nemesis and believe they have > >>>> got the key to the kingdom now. > > >>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:35 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > I pray to a God everyday but am not sure which one. He is male and > >>>> > seems helpful. Today he bolstered my strength rearranging some > >>>> > furniture then rebolstered me moving stuff back as it was. However, I > >>>> > cooked a hearty meal of steak, potatoes and asparagus for insurance.// > >>>> > I think the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses represent human nature > >>>> > and traits- really provide some valuable insights for mere mortals. > > >>>> > On Oct 28, 12:45 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> >> Ah Lee, by that time you would have forgotten where you were coming > >>>> >> from! > > >>>> >> I like monotheism, because it supports my view of myself as an > >>>> >> individual. And it allows me to act upon it as such. I am aware that I > >>>> >> am a social being though. Polytheism would be able to account for > >>>> >> that, but would probably only confuse me. > > >>>> >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> > >>>> >> wrote: > >>>> >> > Well that is true Rigsy, and perhaps your prediction is also true. > >>>> >> > However > >>>> >> > religious faith is 'unreasonable' belief. As it is my stance that > >>>> >> > we > >>>> >> > all > >>>> >> > hold to some of these along the way, then perhaps it is a wholly > >>>> >> > human/sentient being trait and we'll not be rid of it, only time > >>>> >> > will > >>>> >> > tell. > >>>> >> > Just one of the reasons I want to reach at least 400 years old. > > >>>> >> > On Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:52:50 PM UTC, rigsy03 wrote: > > >>>> >> >> Really? What about the Italian scientists who face prison time for > >>>> >> >> failing to predict the severity of an earthquake? What harmony > >>>> >> >> under > >>>> >> >> the mantle of monotheism? Science and technology will make god(s) > >>>> >> >> obsolete and society can still be managed through various value > >>>> >> >> systems based on new realities and methods of control. Presently, > >>>> >> >> we > >>>> >> >> are trying to integrate two oppositional positions which accounts > >>>> >> >> for > >>>> >> >> a good amount of absurdity and disappointment. As extinct creatures > >>>> >> >> might have warned us, sentimentality is deadly. > > >>>> >> >> On Oct 28, 2:12 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> >> >> > I really do not see much beyond monotheism atheism holds little > >>>> >> >> > but > >>>> >> >> > wishful madness, and as for polytheism the universes would be > >>>> >> >> > totally > >>>> >> >> > different.. Just doesn't work.. You are right arrogance is a > >>>> >> >> > tremendous problem which I seriously doubt man will over come.. > >>>> >> >> > those > >>>> >> >> > that are arrogant have little reason to change.. It is the > >>>> >> >> > monotheism > >>>> >> >> > that keeps some what harmony,, the problems I see come from man > >>>> >> >> > changing the laws of God that have been handed down through the > >>>> >> >> > generations .. It seems these changes are really designed to > >>>> >> >> > benefit > >>>> >> >> > them and their goals. > > >>>> >> >> > without a singular God there would be no harmony even with in > >>>> >> >> > nature > >>>> >> >> > and the predictability of science would disappear. > >>>> >> >> > Allan > > >>>> >> >> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 4:12 AM, James <[email protected]> > >>>> >> >> > wrote: > >>>> >> >> > > I agree with S. W. Hawking where this is unknown territory, we > >>>> >> >> > > have a > >>>> >> >> > > tendency to being destructive and careless. We must evolve if > >>>> >> >> > > we > >>>> >> >> > > wish > >>>> >> >> > > to > >>>> >> >> > > survive, boldly while trying to work out that Achilles heel > >>>> >> >> > > (arrogance). > > >>>> >> >> > > Allan I was thinking similarly in part, I am not so sure > >>>> >> >> > > monotheism is > >>>> >> >> > > for > >>>> >> >> > > everyone though. Where people can devise stories to fit a niche > >>>> >> >> > > in > >>>> >> >> > > nature, > >>>> >> >> > > then further reconcile from that I think there is much less to > >>>> >> >> > > say on > >>>> >> >> > > God > >>>> >> >> > > than people might, it may even be sacrilege to do so. In the > >>>> >> >> > > sense of > >>>> >> >> > > attempting authority on the nameless, a belligerent act so to > >>>> >> >> > > speak. > >>>> >> >> > > Agrarian civilization, centralization of authority, and > >>>> >> >> > > cultural > >>>> >> >> > > homogeneity > >>>> >> >> > > (dare add monotheism) have allowed us to achieve major > >>>> >> >> > > advancements > >>>> >> >> > > but I > >>>> >> >> > > question that we are approaching or even on track with a > >>>> >> >> > > 'destination > >>>> >> >> > > truth'. It seems we are a hollow shell filled with culture, but > >>>> >> >> > > shouldn't it > >>>> >> >> > > be the other way around?! > > >>>> >> >> > > I keep looking, but I'm just not seeing that 10% innovation in > >>>> >> >> > > the > >>>> >> >> > > population, there is some serious parasitic drag somewhere in > >>>> >> >> > > our > >>>> >> >> > > equations. > >>>> >> >> > > Sorry so subjective tonight Al. :) > > >>>> >> >> > > On 10/26/2012 1:12 PM, Allan H wrote: > > >>>> >> >> > >> The foundations of most of the religions are not that far > >>>> >> >> > >> apart.. it > >>>> >> >> > >> is > >>>> >> >> > >> the interpretation of them that gets the idea screwed up.. It > >>>> >> >> > >> seems > >>>> >> >> > >> though that the creator places people that have a better link > >>>> >> >> > >> and can > >>>> >> >> > >> help straighten the cultures so there is hope as to maintain > >>>> >> >> > >> the > >>>> >> >> > >> same > >>>> >> >> > >> ideas. so I think that there us a very real possibility that > >>>> >> >> > >> common > >>>> >> >> > >> ground is available. > > >>>> >> >> > >> poking a nd prodding out of curiosity is to be expected it is > >>>> >> >> > >> called > >>>> >> >> > >> curiosity. > >>>> >> >> > >> Allan > > >>>> >> >> > >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light > > >>>> >> >> > >> On Oct 26, 2012 3:18 PM, "Lee Douglas" > >>>> >> >> > >> <[email protected] > >>>> >> >> > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > >>>> >> >> > >> Ohhh I don't know Andrew. > > >>>> >> >> > >> As I have said we can of course speculate on all sorts of > >>>> >> >> > >> things > >>>> >> >> > >> about alien life, but seeing as we can only ever think > >>>> >> >> > >> about from > >>>> >> >> > >> our particular species POV, I question how useful such > >>>> >> >> > >> speculation > >>>> >> >> > >> would be. I think the most logical deduction we could > >>>> >> >> > >> make > >>>> >> >> > >> is to > >>>> >> >> > >> say 'Well I really don't know', and that is indeed my > >>>> >> >> > >> line. > > >>>> >> >> > >> Heh of course having said that and in the spirit of pure > >>>> >> >> > >> speculation, given that our current understanding of > >>>> >> >> > >> universal > >>>> >> >> > >> principles, and laws of physics etc.. seem to encompass > >>>> >> >> > >> the > >>>> >> >> > >> totality > >>>> >> >> > >> of the universe, I do not think it incorrect to draw some > >>>> >> >> > >> speculative conclusions. > > >>>> >> >> > >> Would alien lifeforms be carbon based as on our planet? I > >>>> >> >> > >> suspect probably yes, but there are reasons enough to > >>>> >> >> > >> suppose > >>>> >> >> > >> otherwise also. > > >>>> >> >> > >> Would then non carbon life forms form different morality > >>>> >> >> > >> than > >>>> >> >> > >> carbon > >>>> >> >> > >> based life forms? Umm well I'm going with 'I don't know' > >>>> >> >> > >> for > >>>> >> >> > >> this > >>>> >> >> > >> one, as I lack an in depth understanding of neurology. > > >>>> >> >> > >> As a theist who believes in a single creator God though I > >>>> >> >> > >> would > >>>> >> >> > >> have > >>>> >> >> > >> to agree with Allan. > > >>>> >> >> > >> A large part of my struggle is with the message of God. > >>>> >> >> > >> Trying > >>>> >> >> > >> to > >>>> >> >> > >> recompense different religions with this single message is > >>>> >> >> > >> hard. > >>>> >> >> > >> I > >>>> >> >> > >> try to imagine that all religions are valid and look for > >>>> >> >> > >> the similarities, I rather suspect as I grow I will have > >>>> >> >> > >> to > >>>> >> >> > >> claim > >>>> >> >> > >> that some are wholly false and man made whilst others are > >>>> >> >> > >> the direct message from God albeit fucked with by mankind > >>>> >> >> > >> for his > >>>> >> >> > >> own nefarious ends(Christianity for example). 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