Literature tries to be tidy but life is not so something is always "wanting".
On Nov 1, 7:47 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > MIT have a current exhibition that seems to get somewhere near my > interest -http://arts.mit.edu/wp-content/uploads/Holocene-PR-Final.pdf > > This is some of the blurb - > > Through the work of artists spanning from the 19th to the 21st > centuries, the exhibition proposes that art acts as an investigative > and experimental form of inquiry, addressing or amending what is > explained through traditional scientific or > mathematical means: entropy, matter, time (cosmic, geological), > energy, topology, mimicry, perception, > consciousness, et cetera. Sometimes employing scientific methodologies > or the epistemology of science, other > times investigating phenomena not restricted to any scientific > discipline, art can be seen as a form of > investigation into the physical and natural world. In this sense, both > art and science share an interest in > knowledge and phenomena, yet are subject to different logics, > principles of reasoning, and conclusions. In the > Holocene suggests that art is itself an account of the world, and can > expand the potential of > investigative and experimental activity. > Emblematic of the central premise of the exhibition, Germaine Kruip’s > film Aesthetics as a Way of Survival > (2009) documents the phenomenon in which the male bowerbird arranges > colored objects as part of its > courtship display, suggesting an aesthetic faculty at work even within > evolutionary behavior. Friedrich Fröbel > devised a pedagogical system centered on childhood learning through > color and form. Helen Mirra’s sculptures > address geological time and extremophile forms of living matter. > Robert Smithson’s interest in crystallography and > entropy are reflected in both his Four-Sided Vortex (1965) and > Partially Buried Woodshed (1970). Daria > Martin’s Sensorium Tests (2012) revolves around a recently recognized > neurological condition called “mirror— > touch synaesthesia.” For FT Marinetti, abstract mathematical objects > could stimulate in his readers the > subjective experience of the sounds, smells, and motions of modern > life; Iannis Xenakis’ Diamorphoses (1957) > and Mycenae Alpha (1978) utilize mathematical operations as > compositional strategies for creating music. > Alfred Jarry’s “pataphysics,” John Latham’s “Time—Base Theory,” and > João Maria Gusmão and Pedro Paiva’s > “Abyssology” are all examples of speculative systems of knowledge > constructed by the artists to address gaps > in historical, philosophical, and scientific discourse. > > I resist chocolate-box aesthetics (however posh) and appreciation done > to establish superiority of sophistication and am wary of concepts of > elegance and beauty applied to science (most scientists I've known > thick of this as 'waiting for a blow-job from God' - the world always > proves untidy). In a way, I hope art might light up (say) the > financial system in a way extended argument cannot. I've just > finished a novel trying to do this, but can't get it to work - but how > could it when most of our shared concepts from literature are the > blocks to understanding? > > On 23 Oct, 04:34, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > What a pleasure to read these recents posts.//I've noticed the > > politicians aren't saying much to retirees unless they think we are > > over the hill and expendable- except we tend to VOTE.// I only have > > one pair of reader glasses that are rx. I can get by with cheapies for > > cooking and shopping but the eye doctor told me this was not a very > > bright plan. One eye will not get the right whatever.// I have been > > rearranging closets and dressers of late and can't remember where I > > have switched things so it has been a riot trying to dress.//I did > > come across a line of Matthew Arnold's that a little math goes a long > > way for most of humanity and remembered my amazement walking into the > > wrong classroom and seeing four or five blackboards covered with some > > algebraic "work of art"- for it is an art.// I don't really need a lot > > of money but it just costs a lot to live in western economies built on > > self-sufficiency rather than tribal respect for the wise elders. :-) > > > On Oct 22, 12:22 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I have real problems remembering where I left my glasses (though not > > > the ones with beer in) - even the IMF are considering the old Chicago > > > Plan (1936) for fairer money. We live as paupers in the land of > > > plenty in my view.http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2012/ > > > wp12202.pdf > > > > It's long and boring, but the gist is in the short conclusion. It > > > lacks your insight into what we are worshipping Al. > > > > On 22 Oct, 07:27, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > People are expected to change and grow. the errors of the past are > > > > meant to be out grown and evolved into a life that is kinder and > > > > gentler with others coming to the forefront leaving the self centered > > > > being behind,, As I look around I am left wondering if this is what > > > > is occurring,, I see wealth being more and more concentrated in the > > > > greedy few.. I see the traditional higher power being replaced by a > > > > god of gold and wealth, that is worshiped with immense intensity.. > > > > an intensity that if applied to eliminating poverty ,, poverty would > > > > be eliminated world wide within a few short years. > > > > > I have not forgotten anything to my knowledge Neil I can remember my > > > > childhood to date in great detail recall is not the problem and fear > > > > well that is more to keep me from getting killed.. I tend to like > > > > invisibility good idea > > > > Allan > > > > > On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 11:36 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > With memories as bad as mine and yours Allan we have to invent for > > > > > fear of remembering we have forgotten everything. > > > > > > On 21 Oct, 19:00, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> What happens when your whole concepts begin changing.. strange > > > > >> things like the entire universe becomes small and you have to go out > > > > >> side its bounds.. Being a soul being what happens if the creation > > > > >> soul is earlier than than the creation of the universe? > > > > >> Allan > > > > > >> On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 6:09 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > Science doesn't fascinate me in the way some literature and people > > > > >> > can > > > > >> > generally - I suspect the 'enthusiasm' of the popularisation of the > > > > >> > subjects. I concur on the predicament element rigs - insightive. > > > > >> > It > > > > >> > seems a mistake to me to try and place god in some scientific- > > > > >> > dimensional space (though I miss Pat) and I wonder instead whether > > > > >> > the > > > > >> > god-positions people hack out are as baseless as, say, phlogiston > > > > >> > - we > > > > >> > need some new thinking. > > > > > >> > Science and critical history have demonstrated much religious text > > > > >> > is > > > > >> > fable. We repeatedly see that image management hides much that is > > > > >> > foul under 'preaching' - here our current examples would be Jimmy > > > > >> > Saville, Baby P, priestly paedophiles and Hillsborough (scouting in > > > > >> > the US etc.) - but I'd say we may be on the brink of realising > > > > >> > economics is equally vile. > > > > > >> > I can imagine spending a few weeks with a group living human- > > > > >> > constrained lives in a collective of the future. A woman kisses me > > > > >> > goodbye. She will not see me again because I'm off to a near-space > > > > >> > terminal built off Alpha Proxima. From there I'm relativity > > > > >> > travelling to the edge of this universe to undertake genetic > > > > >> > transformation beyond the gene-splicing that has allowed me to > > > > >> > travel > > > > >> > in space. I see in 16 colours thanks to a shrimp and can enter > > > > >> > cryostasis thanks to genes from Arctic fish. I interface with > > > > >> > machines and their learning directly. I can no longer replicate > > > > >> > as a > > > > >> > human - etc. Now I'm off to meet and form a collective with beings > > > > >> > who perceive much of the world we can only postulate. In > > > > >> > traditional > > > > >> > science fiction these 'dark beings' would be bastards intent on > > > > >> > taking > > > > >> > over the human world. What I don't see is any focus on a future in > > > > >> > which the rather soppy human-emotional ties are broken - a future > > > > >> > in > > > > >> > which ... > > > > > >> > One might ask how the creature I have become would get his jollies. > > > > >> > One can go the other way in history and ask what religion has > > > > >> > actually > > > > >> > done. We are not inventive enough about god. > > > > > >> > On 21 Oct, 14:50, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> >> And some feel science is boring unless it can be translated into > > > > >> >> everyday life in meaningful ways. > > > > > >> >> On Oct 20, 3:50 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> >> > We travel at 60k plus miles an hour in the solar system and 500K > > > > >> >> > through the galaxy in our system. I tend to believe we can > > > > >> >> > measure > > > > >> >> > this kind of thing and that we are always left with questions > > > > >> >> > like > > > > >> >> > Allan's about before after and beyond. Hitch-hikers' Guide > > > > >> >> > probably > > > > >> >> > gets to the irony. Quite a few of us discount priests and text- > > > > >> >> > authority without giving up on spirit. Spinoza remains the > > > > >> >> > clearest > > > > >> >> > example. > > > > > >> >> > Creation stories end up in infinite regress - scientific and > > > > >> >> > otherwise > > > > >> >> > - and beg the question of 'what came before that' by positing a > > > > >> >> > fiction of something that needs no creator or origin. I don't > > > > >> >> > believe > > > > >> >> > god whipped up the Grand Canyon, but in the limits of our > > > > >> >> > thinking > > > > >> >> > something whipped up something that led to the evolution of our > > > > >> >> > planet > > > > >> >> > etc. I tend to think science rather than literature may lead > > > > >> >> > to a > > > > >> >> > different way of seeing this and surviving until this is > > > > >> >> > possible. > > > > >> >> > Literature is generally bland and lacks depth - though there > > > > >> >> > are great > > > > >> >> > moments. I suspect one of the key issues is raised by Gabby a > > > > >> >> > lot of > > > > >> >> > the time - we need to replace current authority and know the > > > > >> >> > irony is > > > > >> >> > such attempts just produce the same old business as usual (WB > > > > >> >> > Yeates > > > > >> >> > was good on this). > > > > > >> >> > The stuff on thermodynamics above is very similar in method to > > > > >> >> > Einstein and what we might now term Wittgensteinian > > > > >> >> > deconstruction - > > > > >> >> > trying to find the common elements and mistakes in various > > > > >> >> > competing > > > > >> >> > arguments and readdress the apparent conflict. Molly has some > > > > >> >> > words > > > > >> >> > on this too. > > > > > >> >> > On 20 Oct, 20:37, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > google books had a copy up online, it may still be there. > > > > >> >> > > Used book > > > > >> >> > > outlets like Alibris will allow you to put in the book you > > > > >> >> > > are searching > > > > >> >> > > for and notify you when a copy becomes available for sale by > > > > >> >> > > a store that > > > > >> >> > > uses their service. Other than that, you may find some good > > > > >> >> > > articles about > > > > >> >> > > it with excerpts online. for Einstein fans, it is a favorite. > > > > > >> >> > > On Saturday, October 20, 2012 10:14:03 AM UTC-4, Allan > > > > >> >> > > Heretic wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > > how does a person get a hold of the original text..?? > > > > >> >> > > > Allan > > > > > >> >> > > > On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Molly <[email protected] > > > > >> >> > > > <javascript:>>wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > >> The Einstein "The World As I See It," originally began as > > > > >> >> > > >> his ponderance > > > > >> >> > > >> of something greater than science, and acknowledgement of > > > > >> >> > > >> spirit in action. > > > > >> >> > > >> The original edition is the best, as his editors put > > > > >> >> > > >> together texts with > > > > >> >> > > >> lectures for him under the same name, and those books have > > > > >> >> > > >> an entirely > > > > >> >> > > >> different flavor. > > > > > >> >> > > >> From my view, "knowing" is not the end of it, but the > > > > >> >> > > >> beginning. > > > > > >> >> > > >> On Saturday, October 20, 2012 8:09:19 AM UTC-4, gabbydott > > > > >> >> > > >> wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > >>> Honestly, Vam, I don't think that it was Einstein's lack > > > > >> >> > > >>> of knowledge > > > > >> >> > > >>> that made him pose such a daft (in the sense of limited) > > > > >> >> > > >>> question. I read > > > > >> >> > > >>> this as a description of the state of occidental science > > > > >> >> > > >>> at his time - the > > > > >> >> > > >>> conflict between the ontological and the constructivist > > > > >> >> > > >>> explanatory models > > > > >> >> > > >>> of the nature of knowledge. > > > > > >> >> > > >>> On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Vam <[email protected]> > > > > >> >> > > >>> wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > >>>> You spoke of Einstein, about his ” only ” interest being > > > > >> >> > > >>>> whether God<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God> had > > > > >> >> > > >>>> any choice in manifesting the universe and this observed > > > > >> >> > > >>>> creation. > > > > > >> >> > > >>>> My own suggestion is that if we do not know enough we > > > > >> >> > > >>>> will always think > > > > >> >> > > >>>> along those lines. > > > > > >> >> > > >>>> To the uninitiate, the desktops of today would seem to > > > > >> >> > > >>>> be thinking > > > > >> >> > > >>>> entities ... > > > > > >> >> > > >>>> *So, do we know enough ?* > > > > > >> >> > > >>>> <https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-EBJSz8MhWQU/UIJGzwpvR3I/AAAAAAAAB0...> > > > > > >> >> > > >>>> On Saturday, October 20, 2012 6:36:45 AM UTC+5:30, > > > ... > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --
