I still read Goethe. One of the authors I pick up with regularity. On Saturday, November 3, 2012 9:28:15 AM UTC-4, rigsy03 wrote: > > I'd like to think about this further- maybe forever! I hoped to > encourage you not to be discouraged. Perhaps there is something you > can tweak or rearrange to suit your own standards- sometimes a break > will give a writer/artist a new insight or twist to suit his purpose > or logic and is easily fixed- or sometimes the entire work collapses > (am thinking of my past lyric poem attempts or the stubborn canvases, > etc.) But there is also the reader to consider in the exchange who > might not even notice or care about what you consider imperfect. It > has been said Goethe was the last mortal who could coast at ease > through human knowledge of his time- and who reads Goethe these > days? :-) > > On Nov 2, 5:54 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > But it's not impossible rigsy. > > > > On 1 Nov, 14:54, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Literature tries to be tidy but life is not so something is always > > > "wanting". > > > > > On Nov 1, 7:47 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > MIT have a current exhibition that seems to get somewhere near my > > > > interest - > http://arts.mit.edu/wp-content/uploads/Holocene-PR-Final.pdf > > > > > > This is some of the blurb - > > > > > > Through the work of artists spanning from the 19th to the 21st > > > > centuries, the exhibition proposes that art acts as an investigative > > > > and experimental form of inquiry, addressing or amending what is > > > > explained through traditional scientific or > > > > mathematical means: entropy, matter, time (cosmic, geological), > > > > energy, topology, mimicry, perception, > > > > consciousness, et cetera. Sometimes employing scientific > methodologies > > > > or the epistemology of science, other > > > > times investigating phenomena not restricted to any scientific > > > > discipline, art can be seen as a form of > > > > investigation into the physical and natural world. In this sense, > both > > > > art and science share an interest in > > > > knowledge and phenomena, yet are subject to different logics, > > > > principles of reasoning, and conclusions. In the > > > > Holocene suggests that art is itself an account of the world, and > can > > > > expand the potential of > > > > investigative and experimental activity. > > > > Emblematic of the central premise of the exhibition, Germaine > Kruip’s > > > > film Aesthetics as a Way of Survival > > > > (2009) documents the phenomenon in which the male bowerbird arranges > > > > colored objects as part of its > > > > courtship display, suggesting an aesthetic faculty at work even > within > > > > evolutionary behavior. Friedrich Fröbel > > > > devised a pedagogical system centered on childhood learning through > > > > color and form. Helen Mirra’s sculptures > > > > address geological time and extremophile forms of living matter. > > > > Robert Smithson’s interest in crystallography and > > > > entropy are reflected in both his Four-Sided Vortex (1965) and > > > > Partially Buried Woodshed (1970). Daria > > > > Martin’s Sensorium Tests (2012) revolves around a recently > recognized > > > > neurological condition called “mirror— > > > > touch synaesthesia.” For FT Marinetti, abstract mathematical objects > > > > could stimulate in his readers the > > > > subjective experience of the sounds, smells, and motions of modern > > > > life; Iannis Xenakis’ Diamorphoses (1957) > > > > and Mycenae Alpha (1978) utilize mathematical operations as > > > > compositional strategies for creating music. > > > > Alfred Jarry’s “pataphysics,” John Latham’s “Time—Base Theory,” and > > > > João Maria Gusmão and Pedro Paiva’s > > > > “Abyssology” are all examples of speculative systems of knowledge > > > > constructed by the artists to address gaps > > > > in historical, philosophical, and scientific discourse. > > > > > > I resist chocolate-box aesthetics (however posh) and appreciation > done > > > > to establish superiority of sophistication and am wary of concepts > of > > > > elegance and beauty applied to science (most scientists I've known > > > > thick of this as 'waiting for a blow-job from God' - the world > always > > > > proves untidy). In a way, I hope art might light up (say) the > > > > financial system in a way extended argument cannot. I've just > > > > finished a novel trying to do this, but can't get it to work - but > how > > > > could it when most of our shared concepts from literature are the > > > > blocks to understanding? > > > > > > On 23 Oct, 04:34, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > What a pleasure to read these recents posts.//I've noticed the > > > > > politicians aren't saying much to retirees unless they think we > are > > > > > over the hill and expendable- except we tend to VOTE.// I only > have > > > > > one pair of reader glasses that are rx. I can get by with cheapies > for > > > > > cooking and shopping but the eye doctor told me this was not a > very > > > > > bright plan. One eye will not get the right whatever.// I have > been > > > > > rearranging closets and dressers of late and can't remember where > I > > > > > have switched things so it has been a riot trying to dress.//I did > > > > > come across a line of Matthew Arnold's that a little math goes a > long > > > > > way for most of humanity and remembered my amazement walking into > the > > > > > wrong classroom and seeing four or five blackboards covered with > some > > > > > algebraic "work of art"- for it is an art.// I don't really need a > lot > > > > > of money but it just costs a lot to live in western economies > built on > > > > > self-sufficiency rather than tribal respect for the wise elders. > :-) > > > > > > > On Oct 22, 12:22 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I have real problems remembering where I left my glasses (though > not > > > > > > the ones with beer in) - even the IMF are considering the old > Chicago > > > > > > Plan (1936) for fairer money. We live as paupers in the land > of > > > > > > plenty in my view.http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2012/ > > > > > > wp12202.pdf > > > > > > > > It's long and boring, but the gist is in the short conclusion. > It > > > > > > lacks your insight into what we are worshipping Al. > > > > > > > > On 22 Oct, 07:27, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > People are expected to change and grow. the errors of the > past are > > > > > > > meant to be out grown and evolved into a life that is kinder > and > > > > > > > gentler with others coming to the forefront leaving the self > centered > > > > > > > being behind,, As I look around I am left wondering if this > is what > > > > > > > is occurring,, I see wealth being more and more concentrated > in the > > > > > > > greedy few.. I see the traditional higher power being > replaced by a > > > > > > > god of gold and wealth, that is worshiped with immense > intensity.. > > > > > > > an intensity that if applied to eliminating poverty ,, poverty > would > > > > > > > be eliminated world wide within a few short years. > > > > > > > > > I have not forgotten anything to my knowledge Neil I can > remember my > > > > > > > childhood to date in great detail recall is not the problem > and fear > > > > > > > well that is more to keep me from getting killed.. I tend to > like > > > > > > > invisibility good idea > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 11:36 PM, archytas <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > With memories as bad as mine and yours Allan we have to > invent for > > > > > > > > fear of remembering we have forgotten everything. > > > > > > > > > > On 21 Oct, 19:00, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> What happens when your whole concepts begin changing.. > strange > > > > > > > >> things like the entire universe becomes small and you have > to go out > > > > > > > >> side its bounds.. Being a soul being what happens if the > creation > > > > > > > >> soul is earlier than than the creation of the universe? > > > > > > > >> Allan > > > > > > > > > >> On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 6:09 PM, archytas < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > Science doesn't fascinate me in the way some literature > and people can > > > > > > > >> > generally - I suspect the 'enthusiasm' of the > popularisation of the > > > > > > > >> > subjects. I concur on the predicament element rigs - > insightive. It > > > > > > > >> > seems a mistake to me to try and place god in some > scientific- > > > > > > > >> > dimensional space (though I miss Pat) and I wonder > instead whether the > > > > > > > >> > god-positions people hack out are as baseless as, say, > phlogiston - we > > > > > > > >> > need some new thinking. > > > > > > > > > >> > Science and critical history have demonstrated much > religious text is > > > > > > > >> > fable. We repeatedly see that image management hides > much that is > > > > > > > >> > foul under 'preaching' - here our current examples would > be Jimmy > > > > > > > >> > Saville, Baby P, priestly paedophiles and Hillsborough > (scouting in > > > > > > > >> > the US etc.) - but I'd say we may be on the brink of > realising > > > > > > > >> > economics is equally vile. > > > > > > > > > >> > I can imagine spending a few weeks with a group living > human- > > > > > > > >> > constrained lives in a collective of the future. A woman > kisses me > > > > > > > >> > goodbye. She will not see me again because I'm off to a > near-space > > > > > > > >> > terminal built off Alpha Proxima. From there I'm > relativity > > > > > > > >> > travelling to the edge of this universe to undertake > genetic > > > > > > > >> > transformation beyond the gene-splicing that has allowed > me to travel > > > > > > > >> > in space. I see in 16 colours thanks to a shrimp and can > enter > > > > > > > >> > cryostasis thanks to genes from Arctic fish. I interface > with > > > > > > > >> > machines and their learning directly. I can no longer > replicate as a > > > > > > > >> > human - etc. Now I'm off to meet and form a collective > with beings > > > > > > > >> > who perceive much of the world we can only postulate. In > traditional > > > > > > > >> > science fiction these 'dark beings' would be bastards > intent on taking > > > > > > > >> > over the human world. What I don't see is any focus on a > future in > > > > > > > >> > which the rather soppy human-emotional ties are broken - > a future in > > > > > > > >> > which ... > > > > > > > > > >> > One might ask how the creature I have become would get > his jollies. > > > > > > > >> > One can go the other way in history and ask what religion > has actually > > > > > > > >> > done. We are not inventive enough about god. > > > > > > > > > >> > On 21 Oct, 14:50, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> And some feel science is boring unless it can be > translated into > > > > > > > >> >> everyday life in meaningful ways. > > > > > > > > > >> >> On Oct 20, 3:50 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> >> > We travel at 60k plus miles an hour in the solar > system and 500K > > > > > > > >> >> > through the galaxy in our system. I tend to believe > we can measure > > > > > > > >> >> > this kind of thing and that we are always left with > questions like > > > > ... > > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - >
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