I'm sure you are right rigsy. The day job gets in the way too! On 3 Nov, 13:28, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > I'd like to think about this further- maybe forever! I hoped to > encourage you not to be discouraged. Perhaps there is something you > can tweak or rearrange to suit your own standards- sometimes a break > will give a writer/artist a new insight or twist to suit his purpose > or logic and is easily fixed- or sometimes the entire work collapses > (am thinking of my past lyric poem attempts or the stubborn canvases, > etc.) But there is also the reader to consider in the exchange who > might not even notice or care about what you consider imperfect. It > has been said Goethe was the last mortal who could coast at ease > through human knowledge of his time- and who reads Goethe these > days? :-) > > On Nov 2, 5:54 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > But it's not impossible rigsy. > > > On 1 Nov, 14:54, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Literature tries to be tidy but life is not so something is always > > > "wanting". > > > > On Nov 1, 7:47 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > MIT have a current exhibition that seems to get somewhere near my > > > > interest -http://arts.mit.edu/wp-content/uploads/Holocene-PR-Final.pdf > > > > > This is some of the blurb - > > > > > Through the work of artists spanning from the 19th to the 21st > > > > centuries, the exhibition proposes that art acts as an investigative > > > > and experimental form of inquiry, addressing or amending what is > > > > explained through traditional scientific or > > > > mathematical means: entropy, matter, time (cosmic, geological), > > > > energy, topology, mimicry, perception, > > > > consciousness, et cetera. Sometimes employing scientific methodologies > > > > or the epistemology of science, other > > > > times investigating phenomena not restricted to any scientific > > > > discipline, art can be seen as a form of > > > > investigation into the physical and natural world. In this sense, both > > > > art and science share an interest in > > > > knowledge and phenomena, yet are subject to different logics, > > > > principles of reasoning, and conclusions. In the > > > > Holocene suggests that art is itself an account of the world, and can > > > > expand the potential of > > > > investigative and experimental activity. > > > > Emblematic of the central premise of the exhibition, Germaine Kruip’s > > > > film Aesthetics as a Way of Survival > > > > (2009) documents the phenomenon in which the male bowerbird arranges > > > > colored objects as part of its > > > > courtship display, suggesting an aesthetic faculty at work even within > > > > evolutionary behavior. Friedrich Fröbel > > > > devised a pedagogical system centered on childhood learning through > > > > color and form. Helen Mirra’s sculptures > > > > address geological time and extremophile forms of living matter. > > > > Robert Smithson’s interest in crystallography and > > > > entropy are reflected in both his Four-Sided Vortex (1965) and > > > > Partially Buried Woodshed (1970). Daria > > > > Martin’s Sensorium Tests (2012) revolves around a recently recognized > > > > neurological condition called “mirror— > > > > touch synaesthesia.” For FT Marinetti, abstract mathematical objects > > > > could stimulate in his readers the > > > > subjective experience of the sounds, smells, and motions of modern > > > > life; Iannis Xenakis’ Diamorphoses (1957) > > > > and Mycenae Alpha (1978) utilize mathematical operations as > > > > compositional strategies for creating music. > > > > Alfred Jarry’s “pataphysics,” John Latham’s “Time—Base Theory,” and > > > > João Maria Gusmão and Pedro Paiva’s > > > > “Abyssology” are all examples of speculative systems of knowledge > > > > constructed by the artists to address gaps > > > > in historical, philosophical, and scientific discourse. > > > > > I resist chocolate-box aesthetics (however posh) and appreciation done > > > > to establish superiority of sophistication and am wary of concepts of > > > > elegance and beauty applied to science (most scientists I've known > > > > thick of this as 'waiting for a blow-job from God' - the world always > > > > proves untidy). In a way, I hope art might light up (say) the > > > > financial system in a way extended argument cannot. I've just > > > > finished a novel trying to do this, but can't get it to work - but how > > > > could it when most of our shared concepts from literature are the > > > > blocks to understanding? > > > > > On 23 Oct, 04:34, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > What a pleasure to read these recents posts.//I've noticed the > > > > > politicians aren't saying much to retirees unless they think we are > > > > > over the hill and expendable- except we tend to VOTE.// I only have > > > > > one pair of reader glasses that are rx. I can get by with cheapies for > > > > > cooking and shopping but the eye doctor told me this was not a very > > > > > bright plan. One eye will not get the right whatever.// I have been > > > > > rearranging closets and dressers of late and can't remember where I > > > > > have switched things so it has been a riot trying to dress.//I did > > > > > come across a line of Matthew Arnold's that a little math goes a long > > > > > way for most of humanity and remembered my amazement walking into the > > > > > wrong classroom and seeing four or five blackboards covered with some > > > > > algebraic "work of art"- for it is an art.// I don't really need a lot > > > > > of money but it just costs a lot to live in western economies built on > > > > > self-sufficiency rather than tribal respect for the wise elders. :-) > > > > > > On Oct 22, 12:22 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I have real problems remembering where I left my glasses (though not > > > > > > the ones with beer in) - even the IMF are considering the old > > > > > > Chicago > > > > > > Plan (1936) for fairer money. We live as paupers in the land of > > > > > > plenty in my view.http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2012/ > > > > > > wp12202.pdf > > > > > > > It's long and boring, but the gist is in the short conclusion. It > > > > > > lacks your insight into what we are worshipping Al. > > > > > > > On 22 Oct, 07:27, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > People are expected to change and grow. the errors of the past > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > meant to be out grown and evolved into a life that is kinder and > > > > > > > gentler with others coming to the forefront leaving the self > > > > > > > centered > > > > > > > being behind,, As I look around I am left wondering if this is > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > is occurring,, I see wealth being more and more concentrated in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > greedy few.. I see the traditional higher power being replaced > > > > > > > by a > > > > > > > god of gold and wealth, that is worshiped with immense intensity.. > > > > > > > an intensity that if applied to eliminating poverty ,, poverty > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > be eliminated world wide within a few short years. > > > > > > > > I have not forgotten anything to my knowledge Neil I can > > > > > > > remember my > > > > > > > childhood to date in great detail recall is not the problem and > > > > > > > fear > > > > > > > well that is more to keep me from getting killed.. I tend to like > > > > > > > invisibility good idea > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 11:36 PM, archytas <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > With memories as bad as mine and yours Allan we have to invent > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > fear of remembering we have forgotten everything. > > > > > > > > > On 21 Oct, 19:00, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> What happens when your whole concepts begin changing.. > > > > > > > >> strange > > > > > > > >> things like the entire universe becomes small and you have to > > > > > > > >> go out > > > > > > > >> side its bounds.. Being a soul being what happens if the > > > > > > > >> creation > > > > > > > >> soul is earlier than than the creation of the universe? > > > > > > > >> Allan > > > > > > > > >> On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 6:09 PM, archytas <[email protected]> > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > Science doesn't fascinate me in the way some literature and > > > > > > > >> > people can > > > > > > > >> > generally - I suspect the 'enthusiasm' of the popularisation > > > > > > > >> > of the > > > > > > > >> > subjects. I concur on the predicament element rigs - > > > > > > > >> > insightive. It > > > > > > > >> > seems a mistake to me to try and place god in some > > > > > > > >> > scientific- > > > > > > > >> > dimensional space (though I miss Pat) and I wonder instead > > > > > > > >> > whether the > > > > > > > >> > god-positions people hack out are as baseless as, say, > > > > > > > >> > phlogiston - we > > > > > > > >> > need some new thinking. > > > > > > > > >> > Science and critical history have demonstrated much > > > > > > > >> > religious text is > > > > > > > >> > fable. We repeatedly see that image management hides much > > > > > > > >> > that is > > > > > > > >> > foul under 'preaching' - here our current examples would be > > > > > > > >> > Jimmy > > > > > > > >> > Saville, Baby P, priestly paedophiles and Hillsborough > > > > > > > >> > (scouting in > > > > > > > >> > the US etc.) - but I'd say we may be on the brink of > > > > > > > >> > realising > > > > > > > >> > economics is equally vile. > > > > > > > > >> > I can imagine spending a few weeks with a group living human- > > > > > > > >> > constrained lives in a collective of the future. A woman > > > > > > > >> > kisses me > > > > > > > >> > goodbye. She will not see me again because I'm off to a > > > > > > > >> > near-space > > > > > > > >> > terminal built off Alpha Proxima. From there I'm relativity > > > > > > > >> > travelling to the edge of this universe to undertake genetic > > > > > > > >> > transformation beyond the gene-splicing that has allowed me > > > > > > > >> > to travel > > > > > > > >> > in space. I see in 16 colours thanks to a shrimp and can > > > > > > > >> > enter > > > > > > > >> > cryostasis thanks to genes from Arctic fish. I interface > > > > > > > >> > with > > > > > > > >> > machines and their learning directly. I can no longer > > > > > > > >> > replicate as a > > > > > > > >> > human - etc. Now I'm off to meet and form a collective with > > > > > > > >> > beings > > > > > > > >> > who perceive much of the world we can only postulate. In > > > > > > > >> > traditional > > > > > > > >> > science fiction these 'dark beings' > > ... > > read more »
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