Most of conflicts and tensions are due to language. Don't pay so much 
attention to the words. In love’s country, language doesn't have its place. 
Love's mute.

~ Shams Tabrizi

On Sunday, September 21, 2014 10:41:47 AM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:
>
> Molly, I realize that you wanted to stop the bickering but I do not think 
> that you did it the right way. First as a moderator of this group, I think 
> you should have answered Gabbi`s gaberish comment by reminding her to stay 
> on the topic. Second, you yourself took the discussion right off course. 
> Third, you should address your comments or questions to the entire group, 
> and not just to one person. I commend Neil for not biting your bait. 
> Perhaps the problem is that you enjoy the bickering as you once posted a 
> few months ago.  As far as this topic is concerned about "beauty" in the 
> eyes of the beholder (and now suddenly "fame" in the eyes of beholders) I 
> think that beauty has something to do with love. People that I love radiate 
> a kind of physical beauty that they did not radiate before I grew to love 
> them.  As far as fame goes, I think it has to do with marketing. Its not 
> what you know that matters, but who you know.
>
>
> On Saturday, September 20, 2014 12:25:34 AM UTC+2, Molly wrote:
>>
>> What do you think the vote in Scotland means to Great Britain and 
>> England, Neil?
>>
>> On Friday, September 19, 2014 5:08:16 PM UTC-4, Gabby wrote:
>>>
>>> What about the needle? Are you afraid it could damage to your pink 
>>> bubbles? 
>>>
>>> 2014-09-19 22:52 GMT+02:00, Molly <[email protected]>: 
>>> > http://youtu.be/fi2XCsPKlY8  Damage done 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > On Friday, September 19, 2014 4:35:39 PM UTC-4, Gabby wrote: 
>>> >> 
>>> >> Whereas I doubt that the damage done can be ignored and suppressed 
>>> any 
>>> >> longer. 
>>> >> 
>>> >> 2014-09-19 22:09 GMT+02:00, Molly <[email protected]>: 
>>> >> > But I have no doubt that these emotions will be tempered by an 
>>> >> > understanding of the feelings of others. 
>>> >> > 
>>> >> > On Friday, September 19, 2014 1:31:10 PM UTC-4, Gabby wrote: 
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> Hahaha, God save the Queen. :) 
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> Am Freitag, 19. September 2014 schrieb Molly : 
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >>> Picking on each other seems irresistible at times. It is no 
>>> substitute 
>>> >> >>> 
>>> >> >>> for dialogue. Not sure what purpose it serves.  Maybe none. Maybe 
>>> some 
>>> >> >>> 
>>> >> >>> kind 
>>> >> >>> of personal satisfaction. I try to stay out of it.  Life goes on. 
>>> >> >>> 
>>> >> >>> On Friday, September 19, 2014 10:05:30 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic 
>>> wrote: 
>>> >> >>> 
>>> >> >>>> 
>>> >> >>>> Molly and Neil do an excellent job as moderators. I would like 
>>> to 
>>> >> give 
>>> >> >>>> both of them a long heartfelt ovation for putting up with the 
>>> likes 
>>> >> of 
>>> >> >>>> me 
>>> >> >>>> and you Gabby. 
>>> >> >>>> Thank you  Molly & Neil for a job well done. 
>>> >> >>>> 
>>> >> >>>> Allan 
>>> >> >>>> Living Soul 
>>> >> >>>> 
>>> >> >>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> >> >>>> From: Gabby Thiede <[email protected]> 
>>> >> >>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> 
>>> >> >>>> Sent: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 3:57 PM 
>>> >> >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: "A wise man once said." 
>>> >> >>>> 
>>> >> >>>> I would prefer you excised your moderation job in a more 
>>> unartistic, 
>>> >> >>>> 
>>> >> >>>> less biased way and took your responsibility as group owner more 
>>> >> >>>> serious. 
>>> >> >>>> But it seems this is only my preference. 
>>> >> >>>> 
>>> >> >>>> 
>>> >> >>>> 
>>> >> >>>> Am 19.09.2014 um 15:37 schrieb Molly <[email protected]>: 
>>> >> >>>> 
>>> >> >>>> art that is beautiful, art meant to disturb, art that pushes the 
>>> >> >>>> technical limits previously established, art constructed not to 
>>> last 
>>> >> >>>> 
>>> >> >>>> like 
>>> >> >>>> chalk on sidewalks or sand sculptures on beaches - art comes in 
>>> many 
>>> >> >>>> 
>>> >> >>>> forms 
>>> >> >>>> and can be as simple as a concept in Haiku or complicated as Mt. 
>>> >> >>>> Rushmore. 
>>> >> >>>> This age old question, will it always be asked and answered? It 
>>> does 
>>> >> >>>> 
>>> >> >>>> provide a platform for good dialogue and self exploration. 
>>> >> >>>> 
>>> >> >>>> On Thursday, September 18, 2014 9:05:40 AM UTC-4, archytas 
>>> wrote: 
>>> >> >>>>> 
>>> >> >>>>> I agree Facil - though some definition of artist is required. 
>>>  What 
>>> >> >>>>> 
>>> >> is 
>>> >> >>>>> 
>>> >> >>>>> this 'art' not part of 1000 channels with nothing on except the 
>>> >> >>>>> simulacrum 
>>> >> >>>>> of drivel, generally funded by advertising?  I might point to 
>>> >> Maxwell 
>>> >> >>>>> (perhaps both the great scientist and my dog) and Einstein. 
>>>  I've 
>>> >> long 
>>> >> >>>>> 
>>> >> >>>>> wondered about art and people-community development - I'm 
>>> floored by 
>>> >> >>>>> 
>>> >> >>>>> people 
>>> >> >>>>> using dance to work with disabled kids (as an example).  Brian 
>>> Bevan 
>>> >> >>>>> 
>>> >> >>>>> (rugby 
>>> >> >>>>> leaugue's record try scorer) was a work of art in action. 
>>>  Gabby 
>>> >> might 
>>> >> >>>>> be 
>>> >> >>>>> see as such in another form of side-step.  Not all art brings 
>>> much 
>>> >> >>>>> reward. 
>>> >> >>>>>  Allan and Andrew have a go, sometimes not at each other. 
>>>  Molly has 
>>> >> >>>>> 
>>> >> >>>>> often 
>>> >> >>>>> touched me deeply, even if so much of my experience has been 
>>> 'dark 
>>> >> >>>>> side'. 
>>> >> >>>>>  The chocolate box picture isn't art unless a child is smiling. 
>>> >> >>>>> 
>>> >> >>>>> Art may have some function in revealing such as 'change is the 
>>> same 
>>> >> >>>>> 
>>> >> >>>>> thing' and the depravity of political words, the 'lie that 
>>> tells us 
>>> >> >>>>> 
>>> >> the 
>>> >> >>>>> 
>>> >> >>>>> truth' sort of stuff - but does the 'pipe' have to be painted 
>>> by 
>>> >> >>>>> Magritte? 
>>> >> >>>>>   One confronts this picture doing systems analysis - modelling 
>>> the 
>>> >> >>>>> 
>>> >> >>>>> reality 
>>> >> >>>>> is not modelling the rhetoric. 
>>> >> >>>>> 
>>> >> >>>>> On Thursday, 18 September 2014 00:31:17 UTC+1, facilitator 
>>> wrote: 
>>> >> >>>>>> 
>>> >> >>>>>> I don't think artists do, otherwise the term "starving artist" 
>>> >> would 
>>> >> >>>>>> be applied less frequently. 
>>> >> >>>>>> 
>>> >> >>>>>> On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:54:57 AM UTC-4, archytas 
>>> wrote: 
>>> >> >>>>>> 
>>> >> >>>>>>> 
>>> >> >>>>>>> Ms Tidulz says she has no gold and just looks at her claws 
>>> when I 
>>> >> >>>>>>> 
>>> >> >>>>>>> suggest she should be replaced with a golden goose.  Perhaps 
>>> one 
>>> >> >>>>>>> needs a 
>>> >> >>>>>>> heretic cat?  Do artists have some knack in spotting the 
>>> drivel we 
>>> >> >>>>>>> 
>>> >> >>>>>>> 'all' 
>>> >> >>>>>>> want? 
>>> >> >>>>>>> 
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