Here we have a long-running paedophile politician and celebrity abuser
saga, amongst a wider problem with failing young kids on CSE. The first
appointment to our "Inquiry" was an 81 tear old judge who was the mother of
a possible cover-up perp and also married to a dead judge 'who liked
prostitutes in Africa'. Next up a solicitor living next door but 4 to
another likely perp who shared dinner parties with him and was economic
with the truth on her relationship with his wife. Now the excuse is that
it is impossible to find an member of the Establishment to run the thing
who won't know likely actual or cover up perps - something I both neither
believe and which attempts to elide the Establishment problem. We need
non-Establishment investigations.
We have select committee enquiries - in this area it is the home office
select committee chair by one Keith Vaz MP. Vaz has been up to his ears in
expenses and undue influence problems, once barred from Parliament for a
month (he was previously a Blair flunky). Sue was an IPCC investigator -
she was put on lengthy, tedious enquiries into unimportant matters,
including a complaint into an endless thing involving a rugby league
paedophile (everywhere!). In the suicide of a female firearms' officer she
found the poor woman had been taking a prescription drug no one near a gun
should be allowed - missed by the cops. The IPCC started with human rights
and transparency concerns and is now just another cover up. To get almost
any enquiry, we have to rely on the press whipping matters up - they are
best thought of as presstitutes and are severely hampered by libel law.
Jimmy Saville and MP Cyril Smith had to die before we 'heard' of their
hundreds of crimes - others like Rolf Harris are being prosecuted as old
men. On television we have CSI - on reality we leave rape kits untested
(127 serial rapists in the first 2000 belatedly tested).
I asked who we can tell - promised anonymity, witnesses in a violent drug
case start to give evidence from behind a screen only to have their names
read out by the court usher - cops regularly start to smear people
complaining against them - and all the agencies leak like sieves. Ann
Coffey MP has just produced a report on victims in Greater Manchester, yet
there is nothing in it she could not have learned at a conference my team
produced at university in 2005 - though I wouldn't knock her for trying and
unusually for an MP she has some relevant qualifications and experience.
We have undercover cops sleeping with activist groups they should not be
penetrating (argh!) - and teachers who dare not put a plaster on a grazed
knee.
Sadly, I have more sense the Paedofinder General will ride ('Monkeydust')
than sensible solutions. Abusers are still released to live in the same
street as previous victims. Africa has seen WW3. We were months late
responding to Ebola - but decades really. I saw two lovely women explaining
their plight as survivors, squalor all round two people speaking a foreign
language (English) making me wonder how education is supposed to help.
There is potential in new technologies to change all this (or obviously
blow ourselves to bits) - yet only one in ten of our politicians even knows
how money is created. We have enquiries made of Vantablack from which no
light escapes. What life are we offering poor young kids who "prefer" to
get themselves involved with vile sexual groomers? Or jihadis who go to
Syria? Or Nigeria with vast oil wealth and boko harem?
How can we offer peace?
On Thursday, October 30, 2014 5:51:34 PM UTC, Molly wrote:
>
> I don't know that we are doing better. Not much vetting of issues of
> sexual abuse by the press, probably for the same reasons that the cops and
> courts shy away. It is everywhere, and if we wonder why the world is filled
> with psychos, try to imagine what happens to the psychology of the child
> abused. Not much chance of living disorder free...
>
> Here in Detroit, the President of the City Council was charged in a civil
> suit for sexual abuse of a minor boy after efforts by the mother to have
> criminal charges brought failed. The guy (city council president) just
> disappeared without a word, and left the council with that vacancy for
> several months in the midst of bankruptcy proceedings. the guy was
> actually a TV reporter before becoming a politician. Last seen waiting
> tables in New York City. Everywhere.
>
> On Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:20:35 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
>>
>> "Gates" don't have ti be physical Allan. Must stop playing straight man
>> to Facil nob gags. The principle of re-hanging sounds Promethean.
>> Leadership - in the block captain kind of way - is always problematic.
>> Makes me cringe - I used to get very bossy in suffering fools situations -
>> though a few people benefited from me in kick-arse mode.
>>
>> This report into child sexual exploitation in Greater Manchester is
>> peculiar - it's an expose and whitewash at the same time - a kind of
>> anti-matter version of Molly's 'embrace the paradox'. 'It doesn't matter
>> we made mistakes, allowed rapes and denigration, because we're doing
>> better now' sort of stuff. 'Trust us, we're the people who failed you in
>> the past'!
>>
>> Size doesn't matter Tony, unless you're hanging wallpaper.
>>
>> On Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:52:09 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>
>>> What owners association?
>>> The idea behind a coop is there are no owners. And no one can own part
>>> of it. (Church of Common Cooperation) guidelines set up. Either you follow
>>> the guidelines or move else where.
>>> You pay your rent, do your community responsibilities, participate in
>>> community affairs and activities.. It can not be a place to pay your rent
>>> then hide away.
>>>
>>> All an
>>> ~~
>>> do not murder, rape, enslave or harm others
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Molly <[email protected]>
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 4:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Who can we tell?
>>>
>>> developing those common standards might be a sticky wicket. I always
>>> cringe when asked to be on a committee to review by-laws, and have managed
>>> to dodge owners associations without exception. Oh the horror.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 30, 2014 5:46:39 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There is a lot of major problems world wide. I don't think
>>>> realistically you can gate an entire town. But an apartment complex can be
>>>> .. I think the keys lay within a common moral standards agreement and non
>>>> ownership. Lack of ownership would allow for removal of those that do not
>>>> follow the guidelines ... (Unfortunately i do not think a regular hanging
>>>> of Me or Tony would solve any problems).
>>>>
>>>> All an
>>>> ~~
>>>> do not murder, rape, enslave or harm others
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 10:08 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Who can we tell?
>>>>
>>>> Hanging might be less cruel than suffering some of the cop, social
>>>> worker and other town hall incompetence. A lot of the kids lied to me
>>>> Molly - quite common in abuse cases - over stuff I could check up on.
>>>> Some
>>>> even tried to chat me up etc. Given we have known forever that many abuse
>>>> cases are not independently witnessed and victims are incredibly easy to
>>>> discredit, I'm amazed we don't routinely bug to get independent evidence -
>>>> I even hid in a wardrobe to get one perp. Given people catch their
>>>> nannies
>>>> doing things wrong on CCTV, you'd think we could work a system out for
>>>> abuse.
>>>>
>>>> I've often thought we could go back to something more like village life
>>>> by gating off in our existing towns.
>>>>
>>>> Tony is probably the only one of us who gets hung regularly.
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, October 30, 2014 8:09:33 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Good idea Tony, hope you are never the victim. (Hmmm)
>>>>>
>>>>> You have a job i would not envy, times are hard and will be getting
>>>>> harder.. It seems to me there is an ever increasing desire for war from
>>>>> all
>>>>> sides.
>>>>>
>>>>> Been thinking about my dad and the men's coop. Considering the down
>>>>> slide in morality, the coop idea might have possibilities especially when
>>>>> coupled with a gated community.
>>>>> My idea is the community would be owned by the coop .. ( say a block
>>>>> of apartments) To become a member of the gated or coop you have to live
>>>>> to
>>>>> a set of moral commitments. (Including spousal abuse , drug use
>>>>> (guidelines
>>>>> would need to be developed. (lol right after we hang Tony for something
>>>>> he
>>>>> might do or could have done.. (",)
>>>>>
>>>>> All an
>>>>> ~~
>>>>> do not murder, rape, enslave or harm others
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: "'facilitator' via \"Minds Eye\"" <[email protected]>
>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>> Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 7:21 AM
>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Who can we tell?
>>>>>
>>>>> Iran has seem to have solved the problem by being able to hang the
>>>>> victim.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 9:40:49 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BBC's 'Panorama' produced a documentary last night on 'Baby P' -
>>>>>> Peter Connelly killed at 17 months after much abuse 7 years ago. The
>>>>>> perpetrators were jailed, scum of little interest. There was a serious
>>>>>> case review, generally a hapless procedure of whitewash here. It now
>>>>>> seems
>>>>>> this and other reports were a fix to pin blame on social services - in
>>>>>> fact
>>>>>> all agencies involved were useless, social services perhaps less so than
>>>>>> the politicians and others. Obviously, no reasonable society would want
>>>>>> this kind of vicious cover-up at all or not to know what really went on
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> 7 years, given we should want to put things right (the 'learning
>>>>>> lessons'
>>>>>> rhetoric).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Britain is an intensely secretive society. I don't even know why we
>>>>>> got involved in the two world wars, let alone Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> Syria. When I think of Gabby or Germans I have actually met, I have
>>>>>> even
>>>>>> less idea on the world wars. I doubt ignorance is my problem in this -
>>>>>> it's just clear the general stuff we are given is bunk. When one
>>>>>> researches social issues from war to child abuse, the reality shifts a
>>>>>> long
>>>>>> way from the history of Empire I was taught and the idea our politicians
>>>>>> and bureaucracy operate in any competent way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In another case, in Rotherham, more than 1400 victims of child sexual
>>>>>> exploitation were further abused by all the services they encountered.
>>>>>> In
>>>>>> this case, a young, female Home Office researcher had her work destroyed
>>>>>> and was threatened by two police officers who said they were going to
>>>>>> give
>>>>>> her name and address to the abusers. There are so many other cases I
>>>>>> doubt
>>>>>> I could finish writing their outline within a couple of days. This is
>>>>>> before one thinks about our banks and business practices, and revolting
>>>>>> breaches of trust by priests, teachers and cops.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who can we even tell when it is almost impossible to think of any
>>>>>> speedy and fair investigations and resolutions - or even admissions of
>>>>>> wrong-doing by our establishments? This before you realise cops and
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> agencies quickly brief against victims and other complainants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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