This is a good point Tony - though I'm not sure it is true (I just don't 
know).  One can think of a lot of support - Tito in Yugoslavia, what 
happened to Cyprus after the Brits left, the break-up of the USSR, 
Singapore, the current vile dictator in Rwanda, Cyrus the Great in Persia - 
but Greece and Rome were more barbaric than the so-called Barbarians.

Authority is never as rational as it claims - courtrooms are true Oedipal 
dramas, economics is no science but rather a religious control fraud - yet 
women could once not give testimony because they had no testicles of hang 
onto and they are not so badly treated now.  Has what emancipation and 
freedom we have arisen under terror dictatorship?  Iraqis used to tell me 
Saddam at least kept the Mullahs off their backs - but also that before him 
they were developing a decent modern society, as Iran was before "we" 
disrupted their democracies with CIA coups.

The shift to new positive ground is very difficult.  One always seems to 
have to talk to ignorance - a hideous elitist demon arises - we turn 
Marxism into 'Soviet Paradise' and 'Year Zero', democracy into false 
promises for the majority vote or to elect the Muslim Brotherhood who will 
deny future voting - or bully our students with erudite credibility based 
on a vacuous belief in economics textbooks as pertinent as the Dead Sea 
Scrolls.  Whilst we call for perverts to be jailed we miss that a dozen 
released perverts a month commit further perversion - and the more 
important matter that economic policies make more kids vulnerable to 
exploitation.  We rail against child abuse, yet have a legal system 
allowing evidence of shaken baby syndrome that has no scientific basis and 
convicts the last person with a child.  We have ages of consent, but 
Polanski still makes films.

We need to be on the high moral ground, yet capable of laughing off the 
seriousness and zealot's mask.  I can wander into the world of Molly 
clinging to a tree branch as a young girl and share the wonder too.  Could 
you paint anything resembling the restrictions on our thought mate?



On Friday, October 31, 2014 1:10:22 AM UTC, facilitator wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, for mankind, the most peaceful times came under strict 
> rule.  Even the Israelites when things were going well shouted to God, 
> "Give us a King to rule over us!"  They got some good and some vile.
>
> The middle east was a bit calmer when dictators ruled.
>
> On Thursday, October 30, 2014 8:40:00 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
>>
>> How can we offer peace?
>>
>

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