Needless to say. On Monday, November 3, 2014 9:18:32 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: > > Again your interpretation. I meant to have politely replied: What is your > context? > > 2014-11-03 20:41 GMT+01:00 archytas <[email protected]>: > >> Gabby makes some important points - seem to remember the 81 paper but >> there were many, Dictionaries don't really help here - nor the >> hermeneutics of 'finding the original copy' - German sin is exemplified in >> the Jewish Numbers 31 and so on across genocides and the concentration camp >> as a business tactic in such as 'red rubber'. Primitive societies tell us >> their wars are based on revenge - though they always involve resource grabs >> (land, hunting, women, children). We seem to have merely managerialised >> this. >> >> The demand for social services and welfare is much greater than we admit, >> extending into such issues as why we have been so stupid to expand the >> human population in tripling it in my lifetime, global warming, pollution >> and the crass failures of "education". One might think one could at least >> focus on 'the abuse next door' - but I have to say when this came along in >> my life Sue and I failed and found the agencies and politicians much worse >> than useless. The ultimate standard of morality would have been to shoot >> the parents and do the time - had one been able to rely on the agencies >> looking after the kids rather than doing a worse job. >> >> The resource issues are not insurmountable though they are within our >> stupid economic system. Even to talk of this is more or less heresy - and >> look what we prefer to do - speak of young kids preferring a 'prostitute >> lifestyle' and hear politicians talking about the few cases in which abused >> children hit the care jackpot. The ages of consent across the West were >> often created in response to child prostitution. The first law of >> innocents I know of comes from Dark Age Scotland and I am by no means sure >> what the improvements since have been. >> >> The specific social services resource issue was discussed in the 1950's >> in terms of concentric circles - one could only focus on a small number of >> the worst cases in a much wider circle of need. Only 10% of kids killed by >> parents in the UK are actually known to social services in the sense of >> being subject to a care order. The costs of admitting a problem soon >> spiral and following the money one soon realises little actually gets spent >> on the kids. Gabby raises the issue that it is cruel to promise solution >> when we have no intent of funding what's needed. In terms of sufficient >> numbers of people to do most of what is needed there is no problem - we >> just create a system which prevents money-resourcing. >> >> We have, of course, pumped trillions into subsidy of manufacturing and >> banks over the years - these areas supposedly thrusting self-reliant genius >> competitors - and very little into what we call welfare - we 'police' >> Afghanistan and Iraq making things much worse but do almost nothing for our >> own victims. There are answers. >> >> >> On Sunday, November 2, 2014 8:46:36 PM UTC, Molly wrote: >>> >>> I befriended one of the LaCasa employees that worked with children in >>> groups and took disclosures. She eventually became a police officer, >>> hoping it would be less stressful. I think it probably was.If the network >>> is large enough, no one burns out. Trouble is, it is rarely large enough. >>> I think people have the need to look away from this problem more than any >>> other. >>> >>> On Sunday, November 2, 2014 2:59:57 PM UTC-5, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> Ah, pedophiles they have been in the news including one for soliciting >>>> an underage computer image. Personally I am glad to see the aggressive >>>> prosecution, I am very proud of the enforcement effort. >>>> I wish I could say it would an honor to be part of the team thing on >>>> pedophile but truth is I think it would destroy me. I do give them my full >>>> support, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 8:26 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Who can we tell? >>>> >>>> *It is important to agree on terms when conversing. This from the Free >>>> Dictionary:* >>>> *em·power·ment** n.* >>>> *Usage Note: *Although it is a contemporary buzzword, the word >>>> *empower* is not new, having arisen in the mid-17th century with the >>>> legalistic meaning "to invest with authority, authorize." Shortly >>>> thereafter it began to be used with an infinitive in a more general way >>>> meaning "to enable or permit." Both of these uses survive today but >>>> have been overpowered by the word's use in politics and poppsychology. >>>> Its modern use originated in the civil rights movement, which sought >>>> political *empowerment* for its followers. The wordwas then taken up by >>>> the women's movement, and its appeal has not flagged. Since people of >>>> all political persuasions have a need fora word that makes their >>>> constituents feel that they are or are about to become more in control >>>> of their destinies, *empower* has been adopted by conservatives as well >>>> as social reformers. It has even migrated out of the political arena >>>> into other fields. · The UsagePanel has some misgivings about this >>>> recent broadening of usage. For the Panelists, the acceptability of the >>>> verb *empower* depends on the context. Eighty percent approve of the >>>> example *We want to empower ordinary citizens.* But in contexts that >>>> are not political the Panel is markedly less enthusiastic. The sentence >>>> >>>> *Hunger and greed and then sexual zeal are felt by some to be stages of >>>> experiencethat empower the individual* >>>> garners approval from only 33 percent of the Panelists. The Panel may >>>> frown on this kind of psychological empowering because it resonates of >>>> the self-help movement, which is notorious for trendy coinages. >>>> >>>> I've never been interested in talking politics, and although I've had >>>> occasion to work with some, never really affiliated with any party. I will >>>> leave any tendency to interpret what I say as an affiliation with a >>>> political party up to you. I really don't have one. I will be excited to >>>> see Dave Bing next week when he comes to my place of employment. for a >>>> photo shoot, the Democrat who restored integrity to the office of Mayor of >>>> Detroit. He took a lot of heat and it took guts to devout the years of his >>>> life that he did to turning the city around like a freighter on the river. >>>> Like skin color, religion or citizenship, I don't don't hold many >>>> preconceived notions to a persons political persuasion when relating to >>>> them, so really can't speak to your comment about republicans and >>>> democrats. >>>> >>>> Nice to know pedophiles are prosecuted somewhere. Congratulations! A >>>> system working! >>>> >>>> On Sunday, November 2, 2014 1:28:13 PM UTC-5, Gabby wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The big picture, that you draw, is very much a U.S. American >>>>> Republican's view. I know quite a number of people whose aggressivenes >>>>> gets >>>>> triggerd by this deliberate choice of imagery. (I'm sure the relief >>>>> barking >>>>> will set in later) >>>>> Let's see if we can find a common ground for the word "empowerment". >>>>> The root is English, that's correct, but the modern popularity and usage >>>>> goes back to the American Julian Rappaport: In praise of paradox. A >>>>> social >>>>> policy of empowerment over prevention, in: American Journal of Community >>>>> Psychology, 9/1981, 1-25 (13), saying: „Having rights but no resources >>>>> and >>>>> no services available is a cruel joke.“ I think we can all agree if we >>>>> don't take a closer look at our rights, but assume we have them. >>>>> As for moving, if you cannot protect innocent children - this would >>>>> still be a taboo in our German context, even if we wanted to do the same. >>>>> We have left innocent Jews to the apparatus, we have no excuse left. It >>>>> is >>>>> the alledged pedophiles who have to be protected in our communities, or >>>>> they have to move elsewhere, no laws and law enforcement could do >>>>> something >>>>> about that. >>>>> But you know what, I believe your call for a kid's survival training >>>>> is more of an anti-Democrat, Republican demagogy than a real call! :) Am >>>>> I >>>>> right? >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/minds-eye/QYatNwqDgp8/unsubscribe. >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > >
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