Ah ja? I'm not so sure. Am 04.11.2014 01:49 schrieb "archytas" <[email protected]>:
> Needless to say. > > On Monday, November 3, 2014 9:18:32 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >> >> Again your interpretation. I meant to have politely replied: What is your >> context? >> >> 2014-11-03 20:41 GMT+01:00 archytas <[email protected]>: >> >>> Gabby makes some important points - seem to remember the 81 paper but >>> there were many, Dictionaries don't really help here - nor the >>> hermeneutics of 'finding the original copy' - German sin is exemplified in >>> the Jewish Numbers 31 and so on across genocides and the concentration camp >>> as a business tactic in such as 'red rubber'. Primitive societies tell us >>> their wars are based on revenge - though they always involve resource grabs >>> (land, hunting, women, children). We seem to have merely managerialised >>> this. >>> >>> The demand for social services and welfare is much greater than we >>> admit, extending into such issues as why we have been so stupid to expand >>> the human population in tripling it in my lifetime, global warming, >>> pollution and the crass failures of "education". One might think one could >>> at least focus on 'the abuse next door' - but I have to say when this came >>> along in my life Sue and I failed and found the agencies and politicians >>> much worse than useless. The ultimate standard of morality would have been >>> to shoot the parents and do the time - had one been able to rely on the >>> agencies looking after the kids rather than doing a worse job. >>> >>> The resource issues are not insurmountable though they are within our >>> stupid economic system. Even to talk of this is more or less heresy - and >>> look what we prefer to do - speak of young kids preferring a 'prostitute >>> lifestyle' and hear politicians talking about the few cases in which abused >>> children hit the care jackpot. The ages of consent across the West were >>> often created in response to child prostitution. The first law of >>> innocents I know of comes from Dark Age Scotland and I am by no means sure >>> what the improvements since have been. >>> >>> The specific social services resource issue was discussed in the 1950's >>> in terms of concentric circles - one could only focus on a small number of >>> the worst cases in a much wider circle of need. Only 10% of kids killed by >>> parents in the UK are actually known to social services in the sense of >>> being subject to a care order. The costs of admitting a problem soon >>> spiral and following the money one soon realises little actually gets spent >>> on the kids. Gabby raises the issue that it is cruel to promise solution >>> when we have no intent of funding what's needed. In terms of sufficient >>> numbers of people to do most of what is needed there is no problem - we >>> just create a system which prevents money-resourcing. >>> >>> We have, of course, pumped trillions into subsidy of manufacturing and >>> banks over the years - these areas supposedly thrusting self-reliant genius >>> competitors - and very little into what we call welfare - we 'police' >>> Afghanistan and Iraq making things much worse but do almost nothing for our >>> own victims. There are answers. >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, November 2, 2014 8:46:36 PM UTC, Molly wrote: >>>> >>>> I befriended one of the LaCasa employees that worked with children in >>>> groups and took disclosures. She eventually became a police officer, >>>> hoping it would be less stressful. I think it probably was.If the network >>>> is large enough, no one burns out. Trouble is, it is rarely large enough. >>>> I think people have the need to look away from this problem more than any >>>> other. >>>> >>>> On Sunday, November 2, 2014 2:59:57 PM UTC-5, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Ah, pedophiles they have been in the news including one for soliciting >>>>> an underage computer image. Personally I am glad to see the aggressive >>>>> prosecution, I am very proud of the enforcement effort. >>>>> I wish I could say it would an honor to be part of the team thing on >>>>> pedophile but truth is I think it would destroy me. I do give them my full >>>>> support, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 8:26 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Who can we tell? >>>>> >>>>> *It is important to agree on terms when conversing. This from the >>>>> Free Dictionary:* >>>>> *em·power·ment** n.* >>>>> *Usage Note: *Although it is a contemporary buzzword, the word >>>>> *empower* is not new, having arisen in the mid-17th century with the >>>>> legalistic meaning "to invest with authority, authorize." Shortly >>>>> thereafter it began to be used with an infinitive in a more general >>>>> waymeaning "to enable or permit." Both of these uses survive today but >>>>> have been overpowered by the word's use in politics and pop >>>>> psychology. Its modern use originated in the civil rights movement, >>>>> which sought political *empowerment* for its followers. The wordwas >>>>> then taken up by the women's movement, and its appeal has not flagged. >>>>> Since people of all political persuasions have a need fora word that >>>>> makes their constituents feel that they are or are about to become >>>>> more in control of their destinies, *empower* has been adopted by >>>>> conservatives as well as social reformers. It has even migrated out of >>>>> the political arena into other fields. · The UsagePanel has some >>>>> misgivings about this recent broadening of usage. For the Panelists, >>>>> the acceptability of the verb *empower* depends on the context. Eighty >>>>> percent approve of the example >>>>> *We want to empower ordinary citizens.* But in contexts that are not >>>>> political the Panel is markedly less enthusiastic. The sentence >>>>> *Hunger and greed and then sexual zeal are felt by some to be stages of >>>>> experiencethat empower the individual* >>>>> garners approval from only 33 percent of the Panelists. The Panel may >>>>> frown on this kind of psychological empowering because it resonates >>>>> of the self-help movement, which is notorious for trendy coinages. >>>>> >>>>> I've never been interested in talking politics, and although I've had >>>>> occasion to work with some, never really affiliated with any party. I will >>>>> leave any tendency to interpret what I say as an affiliation with a >>>>> political party up to you. I really don't have one. I will be excited to >>>>> see Dave Bing next week when he comes to my place of employment. for a >>>>> photo shoot, the Democrat who restored integrity to the office of Mayor of >>>>> Detroit. He took a lot of heat and it took guts to devout the years of his >>>>> life that he did to turning the city around like a freighter on the river. >>>>> Like skin color, religion or citizenship, I don't don't hold many >>>>> preconceived notions to a persons political persuasion when relating to >>>>> them, so really can't speak to your comment about republicans and >>>>> democrats. >>>>> >>>>> Nice to know pedophiles are prosecuted somewhere. Congratulations! A >>>>> system working! >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, November 2, 2014 1:28:13 PM UTC-5, Gabby wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The big picture, that you draw, is very much a U.S. American >>>>>> Republican's view. I know quite a number of people whose aggressivenes >>>>>> gets >>>>>> triggerd by this deliberate choice of imagery. (I'm sure the relief >>>>>> barking >>>>>> will set in later) >>>>>> Let's see if we can find a common ground for the word "empowerment". >>>>>> The root is English, that's correct, but the modern popularity and usage >>>>>> goes back to the American Julian Rappaport: In praise of paradox. A >>>>>> social >>>>>> policy of empowerment over prevention, in: American Journal of Community >>>>>> Psychology, 9/1981, 1-25 (13), saying: „Having rights but no resources >>>>>> and >>>>>> no services available is a cruel joke.“ I think we can all agree if we >>>>>> don't take a closer look at our rights, but assume we have them. >>>>>> As for moving, if you cannot protect innocent children - this would >>>>>> still be a taboo in our German context, even if we wanted to do the same. >>>>>> We have left innocent Jews to the apparatus, we have no excuse left. It >>>>>> is >>>>>> the alledged pedophiles who have to be protected in our communities, or >>>>>> they have to move elsewhere, no laws and law enforcement could do >>>>>> something >>>>>> about that. >>>>>> But you know what, I believe your call for a kid's survival training >>>>>> is more of an anti-Democrat, Republican demagogy than a real call! :) Am >>>>>> I >>>>>> right? >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ >>> topic/minds-eye/QYatNwqDgp8/unsubscribe. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/minds-eye/QYatNwqDgp8/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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