The pretence of speaking as though being coolly objective flies in the face 
of your advice RP - desire is always at least waiting for a return. 
 Environmental ethics (hardly unknown in the ancient East) involves a 
change of heart for me - though the definition of 'heart' here is difficult 
and is hard work against existing education  and propaganda.

On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 5:31:37 PM UTC, RP Singh wrote:
>
> To evolve you have to change and for that you have to change your 
> feelings. It is the feelings which tumble into thoughts and then actions.   
>                                    No matter how much you control yourself 
> your feelings will get over you and spill into thoughts and actions. You 
> would realize that you suddenly do something or act spontaneously in ways 
> which are a result of your attitudes. So if you want to evolve change your 
> heart , then your mind and last of all your actions.
>
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> As you know I like the Spiral Dynamics model of human development, and 
>> they define the green meme as:  
>>
>> The Sensitive Self . Communitarian, human bonding, ecological 
>> sensitivity, networking. The human spirit must be freed from greed, dogma, 
>> and divisiveness; feelings and caring supersede cold rationality; 
>> cherishing of the earth, Gaia, life. Against hierarchy; establishes lateral 
>> bonding and linking. Permeable self, relational self, group intermeshing. 
>> Emphasis on dialogue, relationships. Basis of value communities (i.e., 
>> freely chosen affiliations based on shared sentiments). Reaches decisions 
>> through reconciliation and consensus (downside: interminable "processing" 
>> and incapacity to reach decisions). Refresh spirituality, bring harmony, 
>> enrich human potential. Strongly egalitarian, anti-hierarchy, pluralistic 
>> values, social construction of reality, diversity, multiculturalism, 
>> relativistic value systems; this worldview is often called pluralistic 
>> relativism . Subjective, nonlinear thinking; shows a greater degree of 
>> affective warmth, sensitivity, and caring, for earth and all its 
>> inhabitants.Where seen: Deep ecology, postmodernism, Netherlands idealism, 
>> Rogerian counseling, Canadian health care, humanistic psychology, 
>> liberation theology, cooperative inquiry, World Council of Churches, 
>> Greenpeace, animal rights, ecofeminism, post-colonialism, Foucault/Derrida, 
>> politically correct, diversity movements, human rights issues, 
>> ecopsychology. 10% of the population, 15% of the power. [Note: this is 10% 
>> of the world population. Don Beck estimates that around 20-25% of the 
>> American population is green.] 
>>
>> With the completion of the green meme, human consciousness is poised for 
>> a quantum jump into "second-tier thinking." Clare Graves referred to this 
>> as a "momentous leap," where "a chasm of unbelievable depth of meaning is 
>> crossed." In essence, with second-tier consciousness, one can think both 
>> vertically and horizontally, using both hierarchies and heterarchies (both 
>> ranking and linking). One can therefore, for the first time, vividly grasp 
>> the entire spectrum of interior development , and thus see that each level, 
>> each meme, each wave is crucially important for the health of the overall 
>> Spiral. 
>>
>> Ken Wilber, in his Integral Philosophy, embraces the model and goes on to 
>> add the "mean Green meme"  (MGM) where people get stuck from transcending 
>> into second tier, interior development because they are caught up in 
>> oppositional causes - working in groups against while superficially 
>> claiming the green sensitivity to earth and the marginalization others.
>>
>> I think he agrees with your assessment, Neil, when he declares the MGM: 
>> "the damage that the MGM has caused, mostly because that is where the 
>> action is in the cultural elite. The MGM is the driving force of 
>> boomeritis, and it has dominated academia, liberal politics, and the 
>> humanities for three decades. Its damage is staggering, and only made worse 
>> by the smug self-satisfaction of these particular Inquisitors."
>>
>>
>> On Monday, December 1, 2014 10:10:09 AM UTC-5, archytas wrote:
>>
>>> Environmental ethics is the discipline in philosophy that studies the 
>>> moral relationship of human beings to, and also the value and moral status 
>>> of, the environment and its nonhuman contents. This involves (1) the 
>>> challenge of environmental ethics to the anthropocentrism (i.e., 
>>> human-centeredness) embedded in traditional western ethical thinking; ((2) 
>>> the connection of deep ecology, feminist environmental ethics, and social 
>>> ecology to politics; (3) the attempt to apply traditional ethical theories, 
>>> including consequentialism, deontology, and virtue ethics, to support 
>>> contemporary environmental concerns; and (4) the focus of environmental 
>>> literature on wilderness.
>>>
>>> Our current de facto religious control fraud (economics) is broadly 
>>> anti-green - Allan's 'golden calf'.  It is resistant to Andrew's 'time walk 
>>> history' and Molly up a tree being at one with nature other than as a 
>>> 'sweet story' and communicative rationality generally, using pseudo-science 
>>> systems to explain everything and direct what we can do.  I now vote Green 
>>> as my other 'choices' are neo-liberal or fascist.  Gabby can perhaps vote 
>>> that way with more direct hope.
>>>
>>> Various books I've read recently suggest 'being green' is a morality 
>>> changer.  I've long thought science such, though not in the crude 
>>> positivist sense most of the anti-science people use as a straw man.  
>>>
>>> Anthropocentrism often recognizes some non-intrinsic wrongness of 
>>> anthropogenic (i.e. human-caused) environmental devastation. Such 
>>> destruction might damage the well-being of human beings now and in the 
>>> future, since our well-being is essentially dependent on a sustainable 
>>> environment.  We have been aware of the population and environmental crisis 
>>> since the 1960's.  Much religion, perhaps especially the 
>>> Judeo-Christian idea that humans are created in the image of the 
>>> transcendent supernatural God, who is radically separate from nature, also 
>>> by extension radically separates humans themselves from nature. This 
>>> ideology further opened the way for untrammelled exploitation of nature. 
>>> Modern Western science itself, White argues, was “cast in the matrix of 
>>> Christian theology” so that it too inherited the “orthodox Christian 
>>> arrogance toward nature” (White 1967, 1207). Clearly, without technology 
>>> and science, the environmental extremes to which we are now exposed would 
>>> probably not be realized. White's thesis, however, is that given the modern 
>>> form of science and technology, Judeo-Christianity itself provides the 
>>> original deep-seated drive to unlimited exploitation of nature. 
>>> Nevertheless, White argued that some minority traditions within 
>>> Christianity (e.g., the views of St. Francis) might provide an antidote to 
>>> the “arrogance” of a mainstream tradition steeped in anthropocentrism 
>>> ( White, L., 1967. “The Historical Roots of Our Ecological Crisis”, 
>>> Science, 155:1203-1207).
>>>
>>> The arguments are old, though one rarely sees them in insanestream 
>>> media.  Two keys points are (1) the evaluative thesis (of 
>>> non-anthropocentrism) is the claim that natural nonhuman things have 
>>> intrinsic value, i.e., value in their own right independent of any use they 
>>> have for others, and (2) the psycho-behavioural thesis (of 
>>> non-anthropocentrism) is the claim that people who believe in the 
>>> evaluative thesis of non-anthropocentrism are more likely to behave 
>>> environmentally (i.e., behave in beneficial ways, or at least not in 
>>> harmful ways, towards the environment) than those who do not.
>>>
>>> Our 'deep ideologies' don't seem to be helping much.  Ferguson and 
>>> Tottenham rioted on the killings of minor black criminals by police, but we 
>>> don't seem to be able to get 'up in arms' against burning the planet or 
>>> wars that have killed millions of innocents and continue to do so.  Looking 
>>> at us from 40 million light-years away, a decent alien society might be 
>>> discussing whether they have any ethical imperative to help us as distant 
>>> strangers, perhaps wondering if delivering some practical green energy 
>>> alternatives could help us move from our crude libidinal condition of 
>>> scarcity wars and trinket consumption.
>>>
>>> The economists don't want to discuss any deep ideology at all.  The 
>>> politicians seem able to whip it up and it hardly resembles 'deep green' 
>>> when they do.  Is our religious talk just talk above deeper crude ideology 
>>> of a selfish, self-centred libidinal-tribal condition?  So what are your 
>>> views, my fellow carbon-footprints?
>>>
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