Deep green interesting thought and ideas put forward. I have been having severe WiFi difficulties. Plus the insanity of celebrating the 35 anniversary of my 33 birthday. Opened a new bank account. It is totally electronic. It requires sms which i never use. So I looked into a new smart phone as it us how my banking is now done. My atm card has a wifi feature. Green .. paper us no longer involved. Have a small pile of smart phones malfunction for a variety of reason. . I could no longer charge my note.. talked with a friend and for a reasonable fee replaced the usb fitting. Along with 3 other phones I went about the process of renewing them. . Found out it was possible but it took around 30 hrs to get this phone working. It did save me a lot of green saved. It makes sense to recycle. And not by littering banna skins. Watched a program through the wormhole. This one they talked about souls and science .. probably only heard what I wanted to hear. It was very interesting but it takes me days to sort out what was said. One thing though I think our physical actions demonstrate the souls true personality.
Do not murder, rape, enslave or harm others -----Original Message----- From: RP Singh <[email protected]> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 18:31 Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: how close are any of us to the 'deep green'? To evolve you have to change and for that you have to change your feelings. It is the feelings which tumble into thoughts and then actions. No matter how much you control yourself your feelings will get over you and spill into thoughts and actions. You would realize that you suddenly do something or act spontaneously in ways which are a result of your attitudes. So if you want to evolve change your heart , then your mind and last of all your actions. On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > As you know I like the Spiral Dynamics model of human development, and > they define the green meme as: > > The Sensitive Self . Communitarian, human bonding, ecological sensitivity, > networking. The human spirit must be freed from greed, dogma, and > divisiveness; feelings and caring supersede cold rationality; cherishing of > the earth, Gaia, life. Against hierarchy; establishes lateral bonding and > linking. Permeable self, relational self, group intermeshing. Emphasis on > dialogue, relationships. Basis of value communities (i.e., freely chosen > affiliations based on shared sentiments). Reaches decisions through > reconciliation and consensus (downside: interminable "processing" and > incapacity to reach decisions). Refresh spirituality, bring harmony, enrich > human potential. Strongly egalitarian, anti-hierarchy, pluralistic values, > social construction of reality, diversity, multiculturalism, relativistic > value systems; this worldview is often called pluralistic relativism . > Subjective, nonlinear thinking; shows a greater degree of affective warmth, > sensitivity, and caring, for earth and all its inhabitants.Where seen: Deep > ecology, postmodernism, Netherlands idealism, Rogerian counseling, Canadian > health care, humanistic psychology, liberation theology, cooperative > inquiry, World Council of Churches, Greenpeace, animal rights, ecofeminism, > post-colonialism, Foucault/Derrida, politically correct, diversity > movements, human rights issues, ecopsychology. 10% of the population, 15% > of the power. [Note: this is 10% of the world population. Don Beck > estimates that around 20-25% of the American population is green.] > > With the completion of the green meme, human consciousness is poised for a > quantum jump into "second-tier thinking." Clare Graves referred to this as > a "momentous leap," where "a chasm of unbelievable depth of meaning is > crossed." In essence, with second-tier consciousness, one can think both > vertically and horizontally, using both hierarchies and heterarchies (both > ranking and linking). One can therefore, for the first time, vividly grasp > the entire spectrum of interior development , and thus see that each level, > each meme, each wave is crucially important for the health of the overall > Spiral. > > Ken Wilber, in his Integral Philosophy, embraces the model and goes on to > add the "mean Green meme" (MGM) where people get stuck from transcending > into second tier, interior development because they are caught up in > oppositional causes - working in groups against while superficially > claiming the green sensitivity to earth and the marginalization others. > > I think he agrees with your assessment, Neil, when he declares the MGM: > "the damage that the MGM has caused, mostly because that is where the > action is in the cultural elite. The MGM is the driving force of > boomeritis, and it has dominated academia, liberal politics, and the > humanities for three decades. Its damage is staggering, and only made worse > by the smug self-satisfaction of these particular Inquisitors." > > > On Monday, December 1, 2014 10:10:09 AM UTC-5, archytas wrote: > >> Environmental ethics is the discipline in philosophy that studies the >> moral relationship of human beings to, and also the value and moral status >> of, the environment and its nonhuman contents. This involves (1) the >> challenge of environmental ethics to the anthropocentrism (i.e., >> human-centeredness) embedded in traditional western ethical thinking; ((2) >> the connection of deep ecology, feminist environmental ethics, and social >> ecology to politics; (3) the attempt to apply traditional ethical theories, >> including consequentialism, deontology, and virtue ethics, to support >> contemporary environmental concerns; and (4) the focus of environmental >> literature on wilderness. >> >> Our current de facto religious control fraud (economics) is broadly >> anti-green - Allan's 'golden calf'. It is resistant to Andrew's 'time walk >> history' and Molly up a tree being at one with nature other than as a >> 'sweet story' and communicative rationality generally, using pseudo-science >> systems to explain everything and direct what we can do. I now vote Green >> as my other 'choices' are neo-liberal or fascist. Gabby can perhaps vote >> that way with more direct hope. >> >> Various books I've read recently suggest 'being green' is a morality >> changer. I've long thought science such, though not in the crude >> positivist sense most of the anti-science people use as a straw man. >> >> Anthropocentrism often recognizes some non-intrinsic wrongness of >> anthropogenic (i.e. human-caused) environmental devastation. Such >> destruction might damage the well-being of human beings now and in the >> future, since our well-being is essentially dependent on a sustainable >> environment. We have been aware of the population and environmental crisis >> since the 1960's. Much religion, perhaps especially the >> Judeo-Christian idea that humans are created in the image of the >> transcendent supernatural God, who is radically separate from nature, also >> by extension radically separates humans themselves from nature. This >> ideology further opened the way for untrammelled exploitation of nature. >> Modern Western science itself, White argues, was “cast in the matrix of >> Christian theology” so that it too inherited the “orthodox Christian >> arrogance toward nature” (White 1967, 1207). Clearly, without technology >> and science, the environmental extremes to which we are now exposed would >> probably not be realized. White's thesis, however, is that given the modern >> form of science and technology, Judeo-Christianity itself provides the >> original deep-seated drive to unlimited exploitation of nature. >> Nevertheless, White argued that some minority traditions within >> Christianity (e.g., the views of St. Francis) might provide an antidote to >> the “arrogance” of a mainstream tradition steeped in anthropocentrism >> ( White, L., 1967. “The Historical Roots of Our Ecological Crisis”, >> Science, 155:1203-1207). >> >> The arguments are old, though one rarely sees them in insanestream >> media. Two keys points are (1) the evaluative thesis (of >> non-anthropocentrism) is the claim that natural nonhuman things have >> intrinsic value, i.e., value in their own right independent of any use they >> have for others, and (2) the psycho-behavioural thesis (of >> non-anthropocentrism) is the claim that people who believe in the >> evaluative thesis of non-anthropocentrism are more likely to behave >> environmentally (i.e., behave in beneficial ways, or at least not in >> harmful ways, towards the environment) than those who do not. >> >> Our 'deep ideologies' don't seem to be helping much. Ferguson and >> Tottenham rioted on the killings of minor black criminals by police, but we >> don't seem to be able to get 'up in arms' against burning the planet or >> wars that have killed millions of innocents and continue to do so. Looking >> at us from 40 million light-years away, a decent alien society might be >> discussing whether they have any ethical imperative to help us as distant >> strangers, perhaps wondering if delivering some practical green energy >> alternatives could help us move from our crude libidinal condition of >> scarcity wars and trinket consumption. >> >> The economists don't want to discuss any deep ideology at all. The >> politicians seem able to whip it up and it hardly resembles 'deep green' >> when they do. Is our religious talk just talk above deeper crude ideology >> of a selfish, self-centred libidinal-tribal condition? So what are your >> views, my fellow carbon-footprints? >> > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
