Handy if one is deaf Allan. On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 12:29:05 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: > > I think a person need to learn to listen to silence. (Note I did not say > meditate ) > > Do not murder, rape, enslave or harm others > > -----Original Message----- > From: archytas <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 1:20 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: the law of our own growth > > Our louts are equally despicable no doubt. Here in the North of England > we would be half as well off again as a state of Federal Germany and had > avoided Thatcher - > http://www.oecd.org/els/soc/dividedwestandwhyinequalitykeepsrising.htm - > that's well off in the ability to buy trivia (increasingly including food) > and burn the planet. > > Contradictions to the unitary self (however geodesic) include the ways > dogs and cats wrap us round their little fingers and 'culture' producing us > in 100s of varieties of religion. Where the English Defene League out in > force in Berlin's last anti-Islam march? > > On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 11:21:10 AM UTC, Gabby wrote: >> >> Hahaha, no need to move anywhere. We have learned to appreciate the >> simple beauty of Anglo-American it's-either-you-or-me to gain votes and >> growing power in our Alternative für Deutschland (AfD). The Bavarian >> (Oktoberfest, you know) CSU now tried to gain popularity back by demanding >> foreigners to speak German at home. Ain't that amusing? >> >> On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 12:02:56 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote: >>> >>> Agora 42 is quite good. Molly's question is raised there: >>> 'Margot Käßmann asks the question: "How can you get rid of the working >>> pressure, the pressure to, constantly meet the expectations of others? How >>> can one stay true to yourself? "In any case we need to see more sense for >>> the common good . Also should conflicts, especially in politics, not >>> avoided, but dealt with openly. What is missing is an attitude, as >>> reflected in Martin Luther's saying "Here I stand, I can not help it!"' - >>> that's my excuse anyway. >>> >>> Precht has used detective novels. Britain is a chronic backwater in >>> comparison with this sense of adventure. The Anglo-American 'self. self, >>> self, me.me .me' is remarkably unitary. Soon I will need exile in >>> Germany to escape UKIP oppression. >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:36:03 AM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>>> >>>> Our present day Rilke is Richard David Precht, Molly. He is >>>> experienceable on multiple channels. Here is one of his bestsellers: >>>> >>>> http://www.amazon.com/Who-Am-If-How-Many/dp/0385531184/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1418117358&sr=8-1&keywords=richard+david+precht+-+who+am+i+and+if+so+how+many >>>> >>>> “Insight” is a key identifier for you. - You see, Molly, I connect to >>>> “Minds Eye” through/via/by/on the visual as well as on the oral options of >>>> interpretation, on the singular as well as on the plural options of >>>> interpretation, depending on the human condition of me-myself-I acting in >>>> a >>>> time-space frame not fully controllable. You know, we hear on the basis of >>>> time, with time being the true indicator of why you are what you are in >>>> physical space. Headstand versus tree cruxing. Insight or outside, that is >>>> the question brought to a point. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 1:45:27 AM UTC+1, Molly wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You have such a wonderful way of obscuring a questions with a million >>>>> details, while all true, all roadblocks to clarity, throwing up problem >>>>> after problem instead of looking directly at self. What is true, is that >>>>> everything you examine, Nei,l is a clear and true aspect of self, but >>>>> like >>>>> a geodesic form, cannot get to the center because it has multiple points. >>>>> The form is important, and each point of the form. But the question >>>>> points >>>>> to a reduction to oneness and you can't seem to get there. >>>>> >>>>> All of our assessments of others are judgments. My image of you is >>>>> different than Gabby's and different than Allan's although we all love >>>>> you. >>>>> Why do we measure our own self image by our image of others (formed on >>>>> judgment)? Why can't we form our own self image on our relationship with >>>>> self instead of our relationship with other? I suspect not all of us are >>>>> even aware of the definition or dimension of that relationship with self. >>>>> I >>>>> also suspect this is the crux of Rilke's insight. >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, December 8, 2014 4:55:15 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> There are sunk costs in the old bildung ways and it could be there >>>>>> are no laws of growth as there are no laws in history (Popper's >>>>>> account). >>>>>> Poetry circles are as unlikely to cure domestic violence as the world >>>>>> at >>>>>> war. The ideas have to be alive somehow though. So what do YOU really >>>>>> think Molly - I don't have you as a poetic guru on past evidence. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, December 8, 2014 6:33:09 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Much has been said and little done on how they come to make the soul >>>>>>>> governable and produce the docile body. Are we listening to depth or >>>>>>>> autism in Rilke? Perhaps just Leibniz with flowers, the monads and >>>>>>>> incommensurability reconstituted? His mother lost a daughter and used >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> dress him as a girl. The clash between social and self evaluation is >>>>>>>> clearly like nature-nurture and not a case of taking sides. Try to >>>>>>>> track >>>>>>>> the origins as outside in and inside out and you are unlikely to be >>>>>>>> able to >>>>>>>> stop. The best societies produce the best individuals and the best >>>>>>>> individuals the best societies. Science is based on demonstration to >>>>>>>> others - yet which others, given most people can't learn the >>>>>>>> language-games >>>>>>>> needed to know what most such demonstrations are about. Replete with >>>>>>>> phlogiston theory one can rationalise for infinite time breathing on >>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>> ignorant oxygen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Important to find out how we come to think how others work Molly. I >>>>>>> tend to look and smell people wearing make-up and perfume as whale >>>>>>> killers >>>>>>> and beagle torturers, but am yet to have any impact on the cosmetics >>>>>>> industry. The self is probably hidden far more 'securely' than the >>>>>>> face >>>>>>> under pancake crust. Most women are far more interested in a projected >>>>>>> self >>>>>>> that 'interests' and satisfies the demands and opinion of people other >>>>>>> than >>>>>>> me. In a way one can hardly use shampoo without hearing the animal >>>>>>> screams. Just how much good honest looking is there anywhere - and >>>>>>> rather >>>>>>> than being at the heart of the matter, is Rilkeism already caught up in >>>>>>> 'existing advertising' that makes thinking-pretending poetry has depth >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> makes the right impression on others in games of presenting the self in >>>>>>> everyday life? Make up for the New Ager? Wittgenstein was apt to >>>>>>> mention >>>>>>> language like climbing a ladder in the clouds - such an apparatus would >>>>>>> fall from the sky while we were looking for roots and origin. Though, >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> the science side, I can only predict terminal velocity in such >>>>>>> situations >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No wheelchairs in our newsrooms seems an important issue on >>>>>>> presentation of self - then one sees there is no news in them either! >>>>>>> Rilke and John Wayne dodged respective drafts. Take a good look at >>>>>>> ourselves and what would we find? Perhaps that there is no decent >>>>>>> society >>>>>>> to return to, that one can live in true to decency ... tough one old >>>>>>> friend. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, December 8, 2014 12:25:42 PM UTC, Molly wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sometimes I think we can only see ourselves in how we stack up >>>>>>>> against our judgment of others, an outside in perspective, and maybe, >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> the heart of what Rilke mentions here. I wonder if the fear of taking >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> good honest look at oneself is a typically western cultural construct, >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> simply a human journey roadblock. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 7, 2014 10:12:29 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The New Agers were all over Rilke and my Persian poet like a rash >>>>>>>>> in the past - though the latter may have written in Greek patois. >>>>>>>>> Tgat >>>>>>>>> egat sig probably appeared in his text, meaning the sound made after >>>>>>>>> watching German opera. René Karl Wilhelm Johann Josef Maria Rilke - >>>>>>>>> Rumi >>>>>>>>> had a long name too and was into the simultaneous destruction and >>>>>>>>> recreation of the soul. >>>>>>>>> A bit of poetry is good for people who can't do science. At least >>>>>>>>> Rumi might offer Whirling Dervishes rather than interminable opera >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> heroes buried in acorns for us to recover from poetry reading. I >>>>>>>>> like a >>>>>>>>> lot of Sufi ideas. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I actually have a lot in common with RP's 'conservatism'. "Love >>>>>>>>> consists in this, that two solitudes protect and touch and greet each >>>>>>>>> other" (Rilke from Brainyquote). These days safe sex has lost the >>>>>>>>> gentle >>>>>>>>> touch of romance and loyalty (maybe autism) and become disease >>>>>>>>> prevention. >>>>>>>>> Yet are we to look down on the promiscuous? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 7, 2014 8:31:52 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Fortunately for us a pendulum swing eventually reverses >>>>>>>>>> direction. I think it is everones responsibility to change >>>>>>>>>> responsibly. Our >>>>>>>>>> souls owe that to humanity. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I know Gabby does not like my sig shit in view of her eye >>>>>>>>>> candy.. tgat is tough shit as it us doing exactly egat I intended >>>>>>>>>> it to do >>>>>>>>>> .. it is my simple attempt to change away from the pendulum swing >>>>>>>>>> toward >>>>>>>>>> violence toward others. The best way of leadership lies in ones >>>>>>>>>> actions. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Do not murder, rape, enslave or harm others >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 8:48 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: the law of our own growth >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Oppression of women is decidedly wrong , but for a married person >>>>>>>>>> to fall in love with another is not character. You fall in love with >>>>>>>>>> a girl >>>>>>>>>> and marry her then you fall in love with another woman , divorce >>>>>>>>>> your wife >>>>>>>>>> and marry again or just have an extra-marital affair is decidedly >>>>>>>>>> wrong. >>>>>>>>>> Even if your wife is ordinary in body and mind you still owe her >>>>>>>>>> loyalty >>>>>>>>>> and respect. There is no dearth of beautiful people , >>>>>>>>>> but to love and respect your own partner even of ordinary >>>>>>>>>> countenance is character. To be faithful to your society is >>>>>>>>>> character and >>>>>>>>>> if there are shortcomings in your society you should try to remove >>>>>>>>>> them and >>>>>>>>>> that is what has been done by great people in all societies. Even >>>>>>>>>> ordinary >>>>>>>>>> people can try to remove the abuses in their society according to >>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>> capabilities , and to convert to other religions is escaping the >>>>>>>>>> duty of >>>>>>>>>> bettering your society. You owe your family and society a duty to >>>>>>>>>> work for >>>>>>>>>> its betterment and to convert is escaping from that duty. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 11:55 PM, archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Once the realization is accepted that even between the closest >>>>>>>>>>> human beings infinite distances continue, a wonderful living side >>>>>>>>>>> by side >>>>>>>>>>> can grow, if they succeed in loving the distance between them which >>>>>>>>>>> makes >>>>>>>>>>> it possible for each to see the other whole against the sky. Fancy >>>>>>>>>>> something a little different then Tony? Shall we 'admire' men who >>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>> women to live in black bags? Flowers rarely ask tough questions - >>>>>>>>>>> Rilke >>>>>>>>>>> was one. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 7, 2014 4:27:22 PM UTC, facilitator wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Healthy growth also requires a time or doing nothing. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >
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