I don't mean to 'biologically usurp' RP's deep history thinking - but there are examples closer to hand on mind before humans. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duLTekqtkmk
One could imagine this amoeba life-history as a human story on cooperation to escape into space in our space-ship-spores. The cheaters referred to might be bankers, say. Looking forward from RP's 'mind in biggle bang', the idea might be not to be around to return to it in the crunch. Out there in deep Hubble territory some think there is a dark flow speeding out of our universe faster than the speed of light (not violating Einstein as space can travel faster than light-in-space) towards a dark attractor, possibly in another universe. The data could also be the 'warp signatures' of arks fleeing this universe. Of course, there are shorter time-scale issues than hanging about in the libidinal trivia, dismal propaganda enter-edu-tainment, cute cats, musak videos and "economic cheating" (politics, banking, war) until big crunch. Andromeda will collide with the Milky Way in around 2.5 billion years, though the Solar System will probably survive that (galaxies are mostly space). The Sun will be closer to going red giant and we might have to nudge Earth beyond Mars' orbit with some creative use of asteroids. The amoeba don't cooperate until they get hungry. RP's theory does not have to lead to fatalism - though I'm not suggesting he thinks it does. The deep history mind of the crunch-cycle might even want us to escape. Later we cooperate with its universe, form a 'stick' and spore off into lives worth living outside space-time, comforted and inspired along the way by Tony's sculptures - are they ready yet, are they ready yet! Didn't Andrew tell us something like this with his time-walk-park thing? Meanwhile we have fascist governments, Pegida, UKIP and various 'religions of peace' hate each other from chosen people perspectives in history while we pretend to despise racism. We need to recognise Socrates and Plato were racists, that Numbers 31 is racist and we continue with chronic parochial 'education that is racist - though I suspect race is not at the heart of what we call racism. So how do we get a history we can trust? RP's 'crunch mind' may be as fictitious as the 'warp arks' heading out of our universe. Why do people 'believe' in ancient rot when I have the new word of god from a magic cat that whispers in my ear in bed if I forget to close my bedroom door? This new religion involves cats getting first choice on food in the territory, the essential superiority of cats over Labradors ,,, how very 'human'. The high-priestess cat, equipped with Gabby-tarot, uses her Janissary Labrador to control other cats, treats anything with opposable thumbs as staff until more suitable robots come along ... how very human. The cat and dog profess deep love, but love-trust persists only as long as I have the tin opener. We humans live in a history to do with tin-opener control. I have probably marked a thousand essays and theses on organisational design relying on and copying management scriptures. Most don't notice these 'techniques' were used in genocides (Eichmann was 'only the transport manager') from the Athenian 'Democracy' to the partition of the Sub-Continent and Bush-Blair slaughter in the Middle East. We Scots hate the English for the Enclosures (an excellent management case study on 'scientific management long before Frederick Taylor), but had done the same in Ireland under our revered French leaders Robert and William Le Bruce. History is too brutal to talk about unless we run to fictional origin. On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 3:57:06 AM UTC, archytas wrote: > > This is rather similar to the maths of the other side of big bang RP. > Assuming a big crunch after our expansion, which would lead to another big > bang, what survives from this to the next? Quantum fluctuation was the > answer in the maths, mind in your suggestion here. Neil Turok was a name > in the papers I read, but ideas producing no answers seems the name of the > game. More recently I've seen suggestions big bangs create another > universe with time going 'backwards', known as the 'more than one future' > approach. Others suggest biggle bang itself is fictional and arises from > religious creationism we haven't managed to extirpate from our thinking - > thus we should be thinking 'closer to home' on the constructors in a new > thermodynamics of what pathways are possible and not. Examples of these > constructors are factories and catalysts. Factories may be those familiar > to us or ribosomes. Catalysts are more complex than the stuff of school > chemistry. > > Slime moulds have been interesting me recently. These are single-celled > 'brainless' organisms we can only safely describe as neither plant nor > animal. Yet they form networks as complex are our railway systems. We > don't really know how they have the intelligence to search for food. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwKuFREOgmo > > Great stuff RP - but can you unwind it a bit more? In another sense, both > of us have been rather biologically deterministic on 'brain producing mind' > in human psychology. > > On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 12:31:10 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >> >> The entire creation is predetermined , it is history.Before the big bang >> the history existed in the form of an idea in the singularity. With the >> big bang the history started manifesting itself as creation It is simply >> the unmanifest which is manifesting. And hence the evolution of the >> universe is just the mind which is manifesting itself. >> > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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