Probably the most sensible thing anyone has said here for ages Chris. 
 Scary!

On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 5:12:06 AM UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote:
>
> We humans have always had a terrible problem with calculating scale. We're 
> utterly irrational and hopelessly subjective. Even when we attempt to shape 
> our world view via humanism and logic, we fall prey to insidious prejudices 
> few of us are able to even detect well. We think we're much smarter than we 
> are, and it's only by growing older and expanding our time scope that we're 
> capable of beginning to understand how limited our view always was the 
> minute before. Most of us don't live long enough to ever really accomplish 
> anything remotely like an objective view point. 
>
> And so, we fear plane crashes, and not car crashes, despite the latter 
> vastly outnumbering the former. We say "je suis charlie" for the 12, and 
> pass by the thousands dead. We only care when the PR machine snaps a 
> gorgeous tragedy and Buzzfeed includes it in "Top 5 Photos From World 
> Conflicts: You won't believe number 4!".
>
> When one person dies, it's a tragedy, but when a million people die it's a 
> statistic. Stalin said that. Remarkable bit of insight from someone who 
> created some notable statistics. 
>
> We Americans are terrible with statistics. We're smart enough to know that 
> they're a weapon to bludgeon the less Google savvy, and we pick and choose 
> to suit our bigotry. Then once a year we pour ice water over our heads 
> while hash tagging #Kony2012. Verily Babylon has fallen. 
>
> Hello, Minds Eye. I've missed you. Neil's been commenting on my G+ posts, 
> and it put me of a mind to come see how the group's been.
>
> On Wednesday, January 14, 2015 at 10:29:52 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote:
>>
>> Killing cartoonists clearly can't be allowed.  There is no absolute 
>> authority for jihad, crusades or lacking a self-depreciating sense of 
>> humour prepared to rip loved ones from the lives of relatives and friends. 
>>  The most common 'cause' of killing and war in primitive societies is 
>> revenge, generally pretty dumb.
>>
>> On the day Charlie Hebdo was struck, Boko Haram was doing much worse in 
>> Nigeria and 2000 died.  Yemen was pasted again.  25 million or so have died 
>> in wars after WW2 and any number of people have had peaceful lives 
>> destroyed by various forms of imperialism.  We understand revenge films 
>> where the child not slaughtered by Barbarians grows to destroy them.  There 
>> are at least questions we should be asking on whether fundamentalist Islam 
>> is radicalising terrorists, or the various imperialisms and the conditions 
>> these create in countries kept poor and run by installed despots.
>>
>> Institutional religion is no use to me and I detest the hostility of 
>> those believers who would have me respect belief in superstition,clearly 
>> false history, varieties of justified sexism, racism, apartheid and selfish 
>> chosen-peopleism.  This extends far beyond religion and to false ideas that 
>> the Greek Enlightenment was the zenith of civilisation. This was a sexist, 
>> racist, slave economy.  Western democratic free trade liberalism is such a 
>> lie as to be merely another control fraud, not the end of history.
>>
>> There is little clarity.  We stand as Charlie for free speech, yet do 
>> nothing against indecent Saudi floggings and beheadings. We have never 
>> produced democratic foreign policy, population control or sustained peace. 
>>  Now we are arresting people protesting publicly against Charlie, somewhat 
>> contradictory to say the least.  All that seems clear is that we are all 
>> Charleys, without much of a system to openly discuss what is wrong, leaving 
>> tyranny anywhere a threat to freedom everywhere.
>>
>

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