Moll - imagine me saying to you 'come here and I'll make you into a man' - I'm sure the only paradox to embrace would involve howling laughter!
On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 11:56:06 AM UTC, Molly wrote: > > I've learned to not take these literally, but as a diagram for internal > life as in the mystical tradition. We all have a male and female aspect, > and like all other aspects of being, they integrate before we realize the > heaven withing. Likewise with the bit on the soul. Like our finite heart > and brain organs, the soul is an organ of our infinite selves, and not the > whole shebang. > > On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 1:28:20 AM UTC-5, archytas wrote: >> >> Took me a while to find it, but I recommend these lines reported by >> Thomas: >> >> 114. Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females don't >> deserve life." >> >> Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may >> become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes >> herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven." >> >> I'd be lynched in one of my own classes if I said this. >> >> And Allan's a bit out in the cold on this one: >> >> 112. Jesus said, "Damn the flesh that depends on the soul. Damn the soul >> that depends on the flesh." >> >> You just have to love it. An all male heaven, except for those who sneak >> in after an operation in 'Brazil'. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. >> >> No one shoot the messenger on the above, please. >> >> >> >> On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 9:47:21 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> I am a fan of doubting Thomas too.. cool dude he went into Egypt and >>> India. You can read his teachings in the Gospel of Thomas.. Coptic >>> teachings from what I understand.. someone wrote down what he said and >>> taught. >>> It is very interesting as they are the only writing directly attributed >>> to sn actual apostle of Jesus.. saul of tarsus commonly know as paul never >>> even met Jesus. . Peter and the other actual apostles didn't care much for >>> him from what I understand.. >>> The Christian gospels the earliest some 60 years after Jesus's death >>> there are a lot of historical record problems. . Like paul's miracle cure >>> from a poisonous snake bite.. archological record indicate there are no >>> poisonous snakes inhabiting Malta.. . Leaves doubt. A lot of conclusion >>> jumping. Old testement and moses.. love it archeology is showing the >>> pyramids were built by labour unions. . Definitely not slaves >>> So what it comes download to is truth and what is fable.. easy to >>> justify what you find of value the rest throw in storage it may make sense >>> later.. >>> I am lucky as i have no problems with the existence of God due to >>> psychotic episodes i choose to call spiritual experience(s)..l am a great >>> believer in sharing as everyone ones has a gift(s) to contribute. >>> >>> As for education IQ test have some good qualities but they only show >>> part of the truth. As for education. My Dad did his doctorate in education. >>> .. as my dad associate professor at the time all the professor brats were >>> subjected doctoral research testing.. amazing what kids can learn.. lol >>> poor teachers. What we learned you do not teach teenagers. . >>> >>> Society has its problems lack of internal guidance is a major problem. >>> I like what has and is being said. Very positve and uplifting. I think we >>> are on a good start. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 2:10 PM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass >>> >>> Molly - we've been friends too long for you to think I mean this in any >>> nasty sense - but this is also the fascist credo. Quite obviously not what >>> you mean and something I'm sure you stand against. Once you have the >>> light, not grounded in Reason, it excuses anything. Reason itself is even >>> problematic once one becomes so sure you have it. Candy rots teeth. >>> >>> We might get round the problems with love. It didn't help Moses any >>> with the Midianites and seems a rather vain hope. I had a friend who >>> wished she had been born good. Temptation to the directive light is >>> obvious. Yet this and other 'inner subjective' claims are the easiest to >>> lie about. Of course, the only enlivening part of the Bible for me was >>> Doubting Thomas. I suppose number one for me is wondering whether the >>> preacher is any different from a double-glazing salesman. >>> >>> Heidegger argues that, in the present crisis, we are waiting for a god >>> who will reawaken us to the poetic, and thereby enable us to dwell in the >>> fourfold. This task certainly seems to be a noble one. Unfortunately, >>> however, it plunges us into the murkiest and most controversial region of >>> the Heideggerian intellectual landscape, his infamous involvement with >>> Nazism. Heidegger sometimes seems to use the term ‘god’ or ‘divinity’ to >>> refer to a heroic figure (a cultural template) who may initiate (or help to >>> initiate) a transformational event in the history of Being by opening up an >>> alternative clearing. These heroic figures are the grounders of the abyss, >>> the restorers of sacredness (Allan's avatars, perhaps). >>> >>> Which brings me to my second. I want to know from real history, not >>> text rendered holy. This may be because I'm Protestant and don't like >>> priests telling me where to learn from. >>> >>> Molly always get me going! >>> >>> On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 12:09:48 PM UTC, Molly wrote: >>>> >>>> At some point, we give up all the do nots and live according to a >>>> guiding light (is it a principle?) that needs no words, but includes all >>>> creation in love. (sacred heart of Christ? Am sure each form of faith has >>>> a >>>> symbol for it) Until we know this (and have to feel it first) creeds and >>>> moral compasses, affirmations and mantras, candy in many forms sweetens >>>> the >>>> pot we sit on. >>>> >>>> On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 6:55:20 AM UTC-5, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The objective is a social experiment.. starting with a moral >>>>> guideline. Or as RP put it creed which is probably Is better word to >>>>> use.. >>>>> >>>>> I have cut and pasted the different moral guides members use in day to >>>>> day life.. they are submitted for easier study. >>>>> >>>>> Love the Allfather with my whole Soul & being... >>>>> Love my neighbor as myself >>>>> As I judge other so too will I be judge >>>>> Do No Harm >>>>> Avoid murder, rape or enslavement of others >>>>> Avoid being enslaved by possessions >>>>> >>>>> Molly :-) >>>>> It’s a Sufi saying: Before you speak, let your words pass through >>>>> three gates. At the first gate, ask yourself ‘Is is true.’ At the second >>>>> gate ask, ‘Is it necessary.’ At the third gate ask, ‘Is it kind. >>>>> >>>>> RP :-) >>>>> My moral compass >>>>> Don't fear anything , but use your reasoning faculty to do the right >>>>> thing. >>>>> do not covet but earn and save for the needs of yourself and family. >>>>> Do not be lustful but be happy with your spouse. >>>>> Do not be arrogant but respect yourself and others. >>>>> Don't be angry but take care to do your duties. >>>>> >>>>> Chris: >>>>> If it harms none, do as you will. :-) >>>>> >>>>> Neil: >>>>> I don't really do creed Allan. Found too many people who talk them >>>>> and mean none. >>>>> >>>>> Molly made a comment about the end of my own submission which I >>>>> thought was valid so I chopped it.. only because it was my own >>>>> submission >>>>> I felt free to modify without group input. >>>>> >>>>> All of the submissions I found fascinating. The award for the most >>>>> original goes to RP. The difference in cultures shows up well. His >>>>> submission is extremely honest.. Molly's is an excellent way of handing >>>>> the >>>>> events of day to day basis. Chris's guide is another of wicca in general >>>>> (a >>>>> poor attempt humor) ☆ "burning at the stake is not allowed" . Neil's no >>>>> guideline and reasons given are very valid, showing effort not to fall >>>>> into >>>>> te next category. >>>>> >>>>> This category can maybe best described as a cork (being nice) >>>>> floating in the ocean of humanity being tossed around by whichever >>>>> direction the wind is blowing or the current flowing caught within the >>>>> gyres of greed and selfishness fostered by the news, games and >>>>> entertainment. >>>>> >>>>> To have a successful experiment we need to design a common moral >>>>> guidelines for the experiment. So gentle people start your shredders. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
