I have found that attachment to fruits of actions lead to much heartbreak when the opposite of your expectation happens. It is written in the Gita that a person should live in a state of detachment and be the same in the good or bad occurrences , I don't know if this is possible human nature being what it is , but if we can reach this state I think we can be better persons. Everything being history only actions are in our hands including that of efforts to change ourselves , and the future is history. If you are expecting good and something very bad happens it seems like a shock and for some moment at least you lose your balance but if you are detached to the fruits of actions you are in a state of coolness and not shaken by the greatest calamity ever.
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:44 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > You have to accept before you do and if you cannot accept the process > stops. You have to keep some framework in your conscious mind to keep a > conscious check on yourself and it is not a creed but a way of living , > trying to improve yourself as a person. Now what wrong could be there in > having self-respect and not being arrogant , what wrong in not being greedy > and not have anger issues. If you want to stop smoking you have to first > take the decision to stop , then only can you give the effort. > > On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:02 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I don't really do creed Allan. Found too many people who talk them and >> mean none. Chris' statement is probably as close as I get, but this soon >> doesn't work in practice. Doing no harm to others quickly proves >> difficult. We do this in the West simply by living as we do, praying to the >> Lord or otherwise. In some philosophy, all speech has a hostile element,as >> does censorship on what can be said. >> >> The first thing for me is evidence. This is an extremely difficult >> topic. Molly's God is quite acceptable to me, but my evidence is not >> direct. I only feel 'him' in her words (even this in evidence terms is >> inadequate - 'words' - we have never met). >> The next is probably what Allan is trying to do here. I have some >> conception of myself as a person and the turmoil of my thought and making >> sense of stuff. Other people have often proved to have much better (and >> much worse) ideas and been prepared to share them. George Kelly springs to >> my mind on this - http://www.centrepcp.co.uk/whatis.htm - and personal >> construct theory. >> I approve Allan's efforts here (though it's important to me he need no >> such approval) - but immediately think we have a lot of material from all >> over the world and hundreds of different cultures (there are this many on >> Papua New Guinea alone). What of the evidence we have from them, against >> our predominantly 'white insularity'? >> Evidence, imagination and trying to do the right thing. Read about >> Socrates in Plato, but remember the fine words came from the free table at >> the head of a slave society. Hear about the Good Samaritan, but wonder why >> we still have a society of 'worthies' that just pass on by, perhaps to >> their church of peace. >> >> Gabby doesn't live down a rabbit hole in Seven Acres Park Allan. I >> thought she might not be answering the dogs' knocks because she doesn't >> like me, so asked the woman with the ferrets (she is real) to have them >> check. The world of imagination is such that when Gabbs says 'it smells in >> here' it could be because she has just come in, or she may be the little >> child pointing out the Emperor is naked. Language is harder than we >> think. I have 'one smart little cookie' in mind about Gabby. This could be >> chronic sexism, patronising, an insult to cookies - or a quick utter of >> something I think that isn't quite that - or an offer to be beaten up by >> politically correct bullies. Walk with me into the rabbit hole of !Kung >> society - we would find no adult twins and we might ponder genetics - in >> fact, infanticide is common in their tough world. Would we think badly of >> them? They have creed. >> >> It goes dark at night, therefore big bang. I prefer the way scientists >> explain this to instruments of torture. Doing no harm to others collapses >> with je suis charlie. Religion sounds very selfish to me. Yet one can >> admire Salvation Army people doing a soup run, despite their views on >> homosexuality. Would I kill the second born twin? Down the !Kung rabbit >> hole I probably would as !Kung. So where does creed come from? >> >> I'd like us to live in evidence based practice. Why we still speak of >> creed in today's world of Public Relations appals me. >> >> >> On Sunday, February 1, 2015 at 10:07:28 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> Neil are you sure Cabbies hiding in a rabbit hole?? Would like the >>> guidelines she and the rest of the ME following.. >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> >>> To: Minds-Eye <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 9:13 PM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass >>> >>> It's difficult to boil something as complex as personal moral relativism >>> down into some simple edicts. I suppose the closest I could add would be: >>> >>> - If it harms none, do as you will. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I hope others doctrine their personal moral ideas to the discussion. >>>> The more we have the better ,, that includes you Chris. And Neil. >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 3:37 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass >>>> >>>> My moral compass >>>> Don't fear anything , but use your reasoning faculty to do the right >>>> thing. >>>> do not covet but earn and save for the needs of yourself and family. >>>> Do not be lustful but be happy with your spouse. >>>> Do not be arrogant but respect yourself and others. >>>> Don't be angry but take care to do your duties. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If you want a social experiment we need to set up moral guidelines >>>>> from which to work.. if you disagree with them that is fine. ,, no >>>>> problem.. just remember it really is a social experiment,, you need to >>>>> come up with what your personal moral compass to replace it.. it is not a >>>>> cut and paste exercise. My compass is around 500 created in length,, >>>>> presentations should around that length. >>>>> >>>>> My Compass: >>>>> >>>>> Love the Allfather with my whole Soul & being... >>>>> Love my neighbor as myself >>>>> As I judge other so too will I be judge >>>>> Do No Harm >>>>> Avoid murder, rape or enslavement of others >>>>> Avoid being enslaved by possessions >>>>> ~~~※☆※~~~ >>>>> Jesus said "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all >>>>> things are plain in the light of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not >>>>> become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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