Dot really. You are listing the problems with the morality of today..  it is 
important to know where hazards are when navigating to a safe moral haven.
I like you what have to say..  saves me from ranting..  you say much better 
than I can..


تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

-----Original Message-----
From: archytas <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass

I'd hung back - I have to write far more than I want to really.

On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 12:30:14 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> In ways you are very right. I see the problems galore. Corks floating 
> mindlessly on oceans of deciet  lies and corruption guided by moralless 
> guides.. the blind leading the blind.
> Neil you are complaining that " No one has talked of reciprocity, 
> humbleness and other stuff I believe in." Why didn't you talk about them in 
> your moral guidelines? I will add them to your compas view ..a long time 
> ago I learned a very special prayer  goes
> God grant me the serenity to accept the things I can not change. To change 
> the things that I can. The wisdom to know the difference and the ability to 
> endure the frustration. 
> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres
> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: archytas <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 12:49 PM
> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass
>
> It's sexist rot Allan.  We should regard the muck as pre-history and get 
> on with working out where we are with modern knowledge and contributions 
> from all.    Another milestone on the roadmap for me is being prepared to 
> change one's mind.  This makes people who start to rationalise away Moses 
> as a war criminal and other blatant rubbish way problematic for 'do no 
> harm' - they are already at it.  Somewhere along the line you have to stand 
> up against Nazis, fascism, Soviet Paradise, the British Empire, Genghis 
> Khan and probably the US Neo-Cons now.  To the selfish, cowardly 
> religionist none of this matters.  They hide behind others, become 
> conscientious objectors (who let others who object for sensible reasons 
> hang) do deals with the likes of Hitler (that Pope in WW2) and get rolled 
> out to proclaim a just war.  Religion used to be a finer part of rebellion 
> than it is in its soggy condition today
>
> Part of my creed would be to recover what was once worthwhile, lost under 
> men in skirts, silly hats, faux holiness, miracles, deep introspective 
> evidence and the desire to rip-off a gullible audience - I am, in fact, 
> deeply Puritan, Digger, Chartist and stuck with an off button for social 
> approved epistemic authority based on stuff made sacred or given to us by 
> invisible beings.
>
> No one has talked of reciprocity, humbleness and other stuff I believe in. 
>  I know of Molly's light as an aspiration felt in temporary fellowship, but 
> such 'faith' soon disappears once Genghis is on the scene.  We should have 
> a law that says 'religion ain't worth fighting over'.  All this stuff is 
> more situation-contextual and subject to marginal conditions than we are 
> admitting.  Turn the other cheek is not a good infantry tactic, though both 
> sides turning on the bosses is.  Our leaders these days are 'hindmosts'.
>
> On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 7:56:05 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>
>> Ah Tony de Cork has spoken. 
>>
>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres
>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "'facilitator' via \"Minds Eye\"" <[email protected]>
>> To: [email protected]
>> Sent: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 7:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass
>>
>> If your footsteps are righteous you don't need a moral compass.
>>
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