Been saying that for years. تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
-----Original Message----- From: Molly <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 1:11 PM Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Consciousness Biocentrisism and Quantum Consciousness: http://higherperspective.com/2015/01/consciousness-death.html#sQpqtmeO9xKmWcZD.99 On Sunday, February 1, 2015 at 3:37:17 AM UTC-5, archytas wrote: > > What a lovely way to think of it Sue. The boys (cat is female - not all > sexist here!) are due for the park again in about an hour. Maxwell seems > to think my dog-walking coat has consciousness, given what he tries to do > with it! He gets an extra short walk (Zak is old and a retired Guide Dog) > we call his paper-round, where he sniffs the local news. I try and 'see' > their world as they do in the park (which, incidentally is where the > industrial revolution began). They found a rabbit hole yesterday, but > Gabby wasn't in, or at least the rabbits didn't answer their knocks. All > the better, they thought, as the breakfast sandwiches didn't go far enough > as it was. They left me the flask of coffee. > > We need imagination and dreams. At some point, one realises subjects like > this have a vast literature almost no one reads. I guess in, say, biology, > I can give an account of how our grandparents' genes are mixed when our > generation produces children. I wouldn't be much impressed as a scientist > with an account from a tribe with no concept of male parentage other than a > 'ghost story' (father roles are taken my male uncles). Yet surely science > is only as small part of what we are conscious of.and what might be > important. > > Your 'children as teachers' has long interested me. I took an interest in > teenage biology because most undergraduate teaching is with them. They > don't even perceive the world like most adults' (quite literally in the > scientific sense) and lots of brain connections are being burned in. The > dogs know far more about the park than I do and I let them teach me. Why > not, then, treat undergrads like dogs. I know Gabbs will have a vision of > me with a big stick and chocolate drop rewards, but, then, the world would > not be so good without these reminders either. My dogs chase sticks and > don't get chocolate. I'm just an old bumbler who keeps them safe from > traffic and the cat. I'm not sure teachers can do much more, or should. > One at least has to try and understand the consciousness of those one > tries to teach, including such stuff as autism and dyslexia - and that most > of the class would rather be dog walking or at a party - or in the case of > one girl, tarot reading. Her lecture on that was a riot and got far more > discussion on personal development going than 'process journals'. She > pulled a first on that one, though no doubt Gabby would say I should have > pulled in an expert consultant like her to assess the technicalities, > rather than an amateur like me (which would have been very welcome). > Occasionally, it is a mistake to assume consciousness - I have had classes > of apparently dead people - but usually there are minds that express > themselves by doing such as taking a team with a video camera to make a > promotional cd for a local gay rights' campaign. They teach me by doing > things I had no intention of teaching. > > Trusting to the consciousness of others is tricky, and part, of course, of > learning about consciousness itself for the non-solipsist or German > "Crabby" - which my iconoclast Gabby isn't. We often need a darker wit to > remind us the pathway to the wrong place is often lined with good > intentions. Sometimes you have to come at difficult problems like learning > and consciousness from the left field of a dog walk. There is a certain > duty in thinking the best of others, but it is still foolish to expect > Maxwell to cross a road on his own. > > On Sunday, February 1, 2015 at 3:00:03 AM UTC, Sue Linda wrote: >> >> LOL I so enjoyed the conversation Archytas. Maybe it was the walk in >> the park like the dogs. Thank you for the interchange. you give me a >> some thought to ponder. >> >> >> On 1/31/15, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Delightful Sue. It's dawn here, so I'm a few minutes away from dogs >> > fussing about their walk. Max will pounce on me as I reach for my >> boots >> > and then insist on 'conversation' all the way to the park. Then he >> will >> > run off about a mile to the top of a hill, king of all he surveys. We >> > should be organising life for moments like this, but I fear we don't. >> I >> > think a lot of what is broken is business and why we engage with it. >> > >> > On Saturday, January 31, 2015 at 6:51:34 AM UTC, Sue Linda wrote: >> >> >> >> Thank you Archytas for the welcome. Indeed "How we achieve that seems >> >> the difficulty." In simple terms, it is a bowl of twisted spaghetti >> >> noodles and difficult to sort threw. Not impossible, but difficult as >> >> one has to look at self and that is not pleasant many times. I reason >> >> from my own experience, that one does not take on that journey until >> >> they reach a place of "brokenness" and actually reach out and ask that >> >> power of life for help and guidance. In my own experience, that has >> >> not been supplied by any man ruled spiritual belief system. Such is >> >> constructed by ego of each leader who expresses their own thoughts by >> >> their own life experience and others agree and follow what such a >> >> leader expresses. Starting again the entire cycle of living life by >> >> the group experience based on the reality on one or in some cases >> >> several individuals. It would reason then, that there is ONE being >> >> needed and be far removed from human influence that would guide and >> >> instruct for that individual as they need. Each person being just a >> >> part of a puzzle and only a piece of the puzzle, can not see the >> >> completed picture. I would then reason that then the ability to >> >> become compassionate to all humans knowing we are all in the same >> >> state and all are a part of the whole picture would only begin to show >> >> a candle flicker of light to change. The possible beginning to such a >> >> event could be reasoned as a "virus" if I may use that example. >> >> Compassion, love, has a stronger influence on the elements of this >> >> planet. Such were the experiments of Dr. Masaru Emoto's effects of >> >> positive emotions and negative emotions on enviroment including other >> >> humans. It could be a reason that to return good to evil was given >> >> and as well, that there is no Law against love. >> >> >> >> On 1/31/15, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Welcome Sue. Interesting points. Have to agree your statement on >> the >> >> > point of compassion. How we achieve that seems the difficulty. I >> often >> >> > >> >> > think we could live more as we organise school, though without some >> of >> >> the >> >> > overbearing teachers I remember and with better control of the >> bullies. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Saturday, January 31, 2015 at 6:22:15 AM UTC, Sue Linda wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> consider consciousness. The endless pursuit of humanity all threw >> >> >> history. To find such, is a inner exploring of who resides inside >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> body >> >> >> you call self. There is no standard to consciousness for the life >> of >> >> >> >> >> >> each >> >> >> has experienced very different events in life that taught them to >> >> perceive >> >> >> >> >> >> their own reality and truth by such. It would seem to reason than >> that >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> actually find truth in consciousness is to realize that in this >> school >> >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> >> >> life on this planet, is designed to teach each by experience. Than >> in >> >> >> >> >> a >> >> >> twist of learning this of self and that others are also no >> different >> >> than >> >> >> >> >> >> you other than the experience, I would think that the only thing >> left >> >> to >> >> >> say is have compassion on all, for we do not create our own life >> until >> >> >> >> >> we >> >> >> >> >> >> realize that this is true. I would also state, that once you come >> to a >> >> >> >> >> >> place of compassion for All humans, than the release of seeing >> >> differences >> >> >> >> >> >> is dissolved. Life then can begin for the first time as the self >> then >> >> >> >> >> >> would choose to live each day without remembrance to the past >> >> experience. >> >> >> >> >> >> Without past recall, then future projections are absent for there >> is >> >> >> nothing that can be judged by past experience. Consciousness then >> >> would >> >> >> >> >> >> be a daily revealing met with a world of no expectation of evil or >> of >> >> >> good. >> >> >> Like a child who just lives in the moment. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 7:05:54 PM UTC-6, RP Singh wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Suppose there had been no consciousness and the entire world had >> been >> >> >>> >> >> >>> there but all unconscious , what would be the Truth? Just death , >> >> nothing >> >> >>> >> >> >>> else. Consciousness is what makes life , a proof that there is >> >> something >> >> >>> >> >> >>> which exists , Existence itself and not death. Look at the stars , >> the >> >> >>> >> >> >>> solar system , if it had self-direction where would we be? It all >> >> obeys >> >> >>> laws and that is the reason for order in the universe and not >> chaos. >> >> What >> >> >>> >> >> >>> would humanity have been if we were not bound by our nature , no >> laws >> >> >>> >> >> of >> >> >>> >> >> >>> biology , psychology , etc. , no predictability , no comfort that >> we >> >> >>> would >> >> >>> return to our homes at night ,no assurance that we would return >> home >> >> from >> >> >>> >> >> >>> work . Unpredictability is still there but it is minor , mostly >> there >> >> >>> >> >> is >> >> >>> >> >> >>> satisfaction and assurance of well-being. >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > >> >> > --- >> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >> the >> >> > Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >> >> > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> >> > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/minds-eye/sAm4Nlj4Ei8/unsubscribe. >> >> >> > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> >> > [email protected]. >> >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > >> > --- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> > Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/minds-eye/sAm4Nlj4Ei8/unsubscribe. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> > [email protected]. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > >> > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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