I understood from previous discussions that consciousness has not yet been defined by scientists , so where does this doctor turned scientist comes up with his extra-ordinary conclusions without any evidence. It almost appeared that a philosopher without any real knowledge of philosophy was giving us a lecture on the most debatable theory in the world.
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 6:01 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Been saying that for years. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: Molly <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 1:11 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Consciousness > > Biocentrisism and Quantum Consciousness: > http://higherperspective.com/2015/01/consciousness-death.html#sQpqtmeO9xKmWcZD.99 > > On Sunday, February 1, 2015 at 3:37:17 AM UTC-5, archytas wrote: >> >> What a lovely way to think of it Sue. The boys (cat is female - not all >> sexist here!) are due for the park again in about an hour. Maxwell seems >> to think my dog-walking coat has consciousness, given what he tries to do >> with it! He gets an extra short walk (Zak is old and a retired Guide Dog) >> we call his paper-round, where he sniffs the local news. I try and 'see' >> their world as they do in the park (which, incidentally is where the >> industrial revolution began). They found a rabbit hole yesterday, but >> Gabby wasn't in, or at least the rabbits didn't answer their knocks. All >> the better, they thought, as the breakfast sandwiches didn't go far enough >> as it was. They left me the flask of coffee. >> >> We need imagination and dreams. At some point, one realises subjects >> like this have a vast literature almost no one reads. I guess in, say, >> biology, I can give an account of how our grandparents' genes are mixed >> when our generation produces children. I wouldn't be much impressed as a >> scientist with an account from a tribe with no concept of male parentage >> other than a 'ghost story' (father roles are taken my male uncles). Yet >> surely science is only as small part of what we are conscious of.and what >> might be important. >> >> Your 'children as teachers' has long interested me. I took an interest >> in teenage biology because most undergraduate teaching is with them. They >> don't even perceive the world like most adults' (quite literally in the >> scientific sense) and lots of brain connections are being burned in. The >> dogs know far more about the park than I do and I let them teach me. Why >> not, then, treat undergrads like dogs. I know Gabbs will have a vision of >> me with a big stick and chocolate drop rewards, but, then, the world would >> not be so good without these reminders either. My dogs chase sticks and >> don't get chocolate. I'm just an old bumbler who keeps them safe from >> traffic and the cat. I'm not sure teachers can do much more, or should. >> One at least has to try and understand the consciousness of those one tries >> to teach, including such stuff as autism and dyslexia - and that most of >> the class would rather be dog walking or at a party - or in the case of one >> girl, tarot reading. Her lecture on that was a riot and got far more >> discussion on personal development going than 'process journals'. She >> pulled a first on that one, though no doubt Gabby would say I should have >> pulled in an expert consultant like her to assess the technicalities, >> rather than an amateur like me (which would have been very welcome). >> Occasionally, it is a mistake to assume consciousness - I have had classes >> of apparently dead people - but usually there are minds that express >> themselves by doing such as taking a team with a video camera to make a >> promotional cd for a local gay rights' campaign. They teach me by doing >> things I had no intention of teaching. >> >> Trusting to the consciousness of others is tricky, and part, of course, >> of learning about consciousness itself for the non-solipsist or German >> "Crabby" - which my iconoclast Gabby isn't. We often need a darker wit to >> remind us the pathway to the wrong place is often lined with good >> intentions. Sometimes you have to come at difficult problems like learning >> and consciousness from the left field of a dog walk. There is a certain >> duty in thinking the best of others, but it is still foolish to expect >> Maxwell to cross a road on his own. >> >> On Sunday, February 1, 2015 at 3:00:03 AM UTC, Sue Linda wrote: >>> >>> LOL I so enjoyed the conversation Archytas. Maybe it was the walk in >>> the park like the dogs. Thank you for the interchange. you give me a >>> some thought to ponder. >>> >>> >>> On 1/31/15, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Delightful Sue. It's dawn here, so I'm a few minutes away from dogs >>> > fussing about their walk. Max will pounce on me as I reach for my >>> boots >>> > and then insist on 'conversation' all the way to the park. Then he >>> will >>> > run off about a mile to the top of a hill, king of all he surveys. We >>> > should be organising life for moments like this, but I fear we don't. >>> I >>> > think a lot of what is broken is business and why we engage with it. >>> > >>> > On Saturday, January 31, 2015 at 6:51:34 AM UTC, Sue Linda wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Thank you Archytas for the welcome. Indeed "How we achieve that >>> seems >>> >> the difficulty." In simple terms, it is a bowl of twisted spaghetti >>> >> noodles and difficult to sort threw. Not impossible, but difficult >>> as >>> >> one has to look at self and that is not pleasant many times. I >>> reason >>> >> from my own experience, that one does not take on that journey until >>> >> they reach a place of "brokenness" and actually reach out and ask >>> that >>> >> power of life for help and guidance. In my own experience, that has >>> >> not been supplied by any man ruled spiritual belief system. Such is >>> >> constructed by ego of each leader who expresses their own thoughts by >>> >> their own life experience and others agree and follow what such a >>> >> leader expresses. Starting again the entire cycle of living life by >>> >> the group experience based on the reality on one or in some cases >>> >> several individuals. It would reason then, that there is ONE being >>> >> needed and be far removed from human influence that would guide and >>> >> instruct for that individual as they need. Each person being just a >>> >> part of a puzzle and only a piece of the puzzle, can not see the >>> >> completed picture. I would then reason that then the ability to >>> >> become compassionate to all humans knowing we are all in the same >>> >> state and all are a part of the whole picture would only begin to >>> show >>> >> a candle flicker of light to change. The possible beginning to such a >>> >> event could be reasoned as a "virus" if I may use that example. >>> >> Compassion, love, has a stronger influence on the elements of this >>> >> planet. Such were the experiments of Dr. Masaru Emoto's effects of >>> >> positive emotions and negative emotions on enviroment including other >>> >> humans. It could be a reason that to return good to evil was given >>> >> and as well, that there is no Law against love. >>> >> >>> >> On 1/31/15, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> > Welcome Sue. Interesting points. Have to agree your statement on >>> the >>> >> > point of compassion. How we achieve that seems the difficulty. I >>> often >>> >> > >>> >> > think we could live more as we organise school, though without some >>> of >>> >> the >>> >> > overbearing teachers I remember and with better control of the >>> bullies. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > On Saturday, January 31, 2015 at 6:22:15 AM UTC, Sue Linda wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> consider consciousness. The endless pursuit of humanity all >>> threw >>> >> >> history. To find such, is a inner exploring of who resides inside >>> the >>> >> >> >>> >> >> body >>> >> >> you call self. There is no standard to consciousness for the >>> life of >>> >> >> >>> >> >> each >>> >> >> has experienced very different events in life that taught them to >>> >> perceive >>> >> >> >>> >> >> their own reality and truth by such. It would seem to reason than >>> that >>> >> >> >>> >> to >>> >> >> >>> >> >> actually find truth in consciousness is to realize that in this >>> school >>> >> >> >>> >> of >>> >> >> >>> >> >> life on this planet, is designed to teach each by experience. >>> Than in >>> >> >> >>> >> a >>> >> >> twist of learning this of self and that others are also no >>> different >>> >> than >>> >> >> >>> >> >> you other than the experience, I would think that the only thing >>> left >>> >> to >>> >> >> say is have compassion on all, for we do not create our own life >>> until >>> >> >> >>> >> we >>> >> >> >>> >> >> realize that this is true. I would also state, that once you come >>> to a >>> >> >> >>> >> >> place of compassion for All humans, than the release of seeing >>> >> differences >>> >> >> >>> >> >> is dissolved. Life then can begin for the first time as the self >>> then >>> >> >> >>> >> >> would choose to live each day without remembrance to the past >>> >> experience. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Without past recall, then future projections are absent for there >>> is >>> >> >> nothing that can be judged by past experience. Consciousness >>> then >>> >> would >>> >> >> >>> >> >> be a daily revealing met with a world of no expectation of evil or >>> of >>> >> >> good. >>> >> >> Like a child who just lives in the moment. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 7:05:54 PM UTC-6, RP Singh >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Suppose there had been no consciousness and the entire world had >>> been >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> there but all unconscious , what would be the Truth? Just death , >>> >> nothing >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> else. Consciousness is what makes life , a proof that there is >>> >> something >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> which exists , Existence itself and not death. Look at the stars >>> , the >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> solar system , if it had self-direction where would we be? It all >>> >> obeys >>> >> >>> laws and that is the reason for order in the universe and not >>> chaos. >>> >> What >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> would humanity have been if we were not bound by our nature , no >>> laws >>> >> >>> >>> >> of >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> biology , psychology , etc. , no predictability , no comfort that >>> we >>> >> >>> would >>> >> >>> return to our homes at night ,no assurance that we would return >>> home >>> >> from >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> work . 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