Explan to me the difference between a different reality and a dimension? Or ME and a fancy web page.. pft...
تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others -----Original Message----- From: archytas <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 2:38 PM Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Consciousness Good find Molly. Despite my second favourite old crank (I'm putting myself first these days) saying he's been saying this for years. Don't forget though that when we cast a shadow on a wall and walk away from that wall, we walk into the 5th dimension (M-theory). Science hasn't proved any of this either, but Lanza at least suggests we need to be less accepting of current theories as sacrosanct. I have written, even in here, that many biologists like me believe in an information world and that our concepts of what the individual and self may be (are in some research) suit up well with a spiritual paradigm. Of course, a foot in the 5th dimension we were aware of or some actual evidence would be good. On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 12:31:16 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: > > Been saying that for years. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: Molly <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 1:11 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Consciousness > > Biocentrisism and Quantum Consciousness: > http://higherperspective.com/2015/01/consciousness-death.html#sQpqtmeO9xKmWcZD.99 > > On Sunday, February 1, 2015 at 3:37:17 AM UTC-5, archytas wrote: >> >> What a lovely way to think of it Sue. The boys (cat is female - not all >> sexist here!) are due for the park again in about an hour. Maxwell seems >> to think my dog-walking coat has consciousness, given what he tries to do >> with it! He gets an extra short walk (Zak is old and a retired Guide Dog) >> we call his paper-round, where he sniffs the local news. I try and 'see' >> their world as they do in the park (which, incidentally is where the >> industrial revolution began). They found a rabbit hole yesterday, but >> Gabby wasn't in, or at least the rabbits didn't answer their knocks. All >> the better, they thought, as the breakfast sandwiches didn't go far enough >> as it was. They left me the flask of coffee. >> >> We need imagination and dreams. At some point, one realises subjects >> like this have a vast literature almost no one reads. I guess in, say, >> biology, I can give an account of how our grandparents' genes are mixed >> when our generation produces children. I wouldn't be much impressed as a >> scientist with an account from a tribe with no concept of male parentage >> other than a 'ghost story' (father roles are taken my male uncles). Yet >> surely science is only as small part of what we are conscious of.and what >> might be important. >> >> Your 'children as teachers' has long interested me. I took an interest >> in teenage biology because most undergraduate teaching is with them. They >> don't even perceive the world like most adults' (quite literally in the >> scientific sense) and lots of brain connections are being burned in. The >> dogs know far more about the park than I do and I let them teach me. Why >> not, then, treat undergrads like dogs. I know Gabbs will have a vision of >> me with a big stick and chocolate drop rewards, but, then, the world would >> not be so good without these reminders either. My dogs chase sticks and >> don't get chocolate. I'm just an old bumbler who keeps them safe from >> traffic and the cat. I'm not sure teachers can do much more, or should. >> One at least has to try and understand the consciousness of those one >> tries to teach, including such stuff as autism and dyslexia - and that most >> of the class would rather be dog walking or at a party - or in the case of >> one girl, tarot reading. Her lecture on that was a riot and got far more >> discussion on personal development going than 'process journals'. She >> pulled a first on that one, though no doubt Gabby would say I should have >> pulled in an expert consultant like her to assess the technicalities, >> rather than an amateur like me (which would have been very welcome). >> Occasionally, it is a mistake to assume consciousness - I have had classes >> of apparently dead people - but usually there are minds that express >> themselves by doing such as taking a team with a video camera to make a >> promotional cd for a local gay rights' campaign. They teach me by doing >> things I had no intention of teaching. >> >> Trusting to the consciousness of others is tricky, and part, of course, >> of learning about consciousness itself for the non-solipsist or German >> "Crabby" - which my iconoclast Gabby isn't. We often need a darker wit to >> remind us the pathway to the wrong place is often lined with good >> intentions. Sometimes you have to come at difficult problems like learning >> and consciousness from the left field of a dog walk. There is a certain >> duty in thinking the best of others, but it is still foolish to expect >> Maxwell to cross a road on his own. >> >> On Sunday, February 1, 2015 at 3:00:03 AM UTC, Sue Linda wrote: >>> >>> LOL I so enjoyed the conversation Archytas. Maybe it was the walk in >>> the park like the dogs. Thank you for the interchange. you give me a >>> some thought to ponder. >>> >>> >>> On 1/31/15, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Delightful Sue. It's dawn here, so I'm a few minutes away from dogs >>> > fussing about their walk. Max will pounce on me as I reach for my >>> boots >>> > and then insist on 'conversation' all the way to the park. Then he >>> will >>> > run off about a mile to the top of a hill, king of all he surveys. We >>> > should be organising life for moments like this, but I fear we don't. >>> I >>> > think a lot of what is broken is business and why we engage with it. >>> > >>> > On Saturday, January 31, 2015 at 6:51:34 AM UTC, Sue Linda wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Thank you Archytas for the welcome. Indeed "How we achieve that >>> seems >>> >> the difficulty." In simple terms, it is a bowl of twisted spaghetti >>> >> noodles and difficult to sort threw. Not impossible, but difficult >>> as >>> >> one has to look at self and that is not pleasant many times. I >>> reason >>> >> from my own experience, that one does not take on that journey until >>> >> they reach a place of "brokenness" and actually reach out and ask >>> that >>> >> power of life for help and guidance. In my own experience, that has >>> >> not been supplied by any man ruled spiritual belief system. Such is >>> >> constructed by ego of each leader who expresses their own thoughts by >>> >> their own life experience and others agree and follow what such a >>> >> leader expresses. Starting again the entire cycle of living life by >>> >> the group experience based on the reality on one or in some cases >>> >> several individuals. It would reason then, that there is ONE being >>> >> needed and be far removed from human influence that would guide and >>> >> instruct for that individual as they need. Each person being just a >>> >> part of a puzzle and only a piece of the puzzle, can not see the >>> >> completed picture. I would then reason that then the ability to >>> >> become compassionate to all humans knowing we are all in the same >>> >> state and all are a part of the whole picture would only begin to >>> show >>> >> a candle flicker of light to change. The possible beginning to such a >>> >> event could be reasoned as a "virus" if I may use that example. >>> >> Compassion, love, has a stronger influence on the elements of this >>> >> planet. Such were the experiments of Dr. Masaru Emoto's effects of >>> >> positive emotions and negative emotions on enviroment including other >>> >> humans. It could be a reason that to return good to evil was given >>> >> and as well, that there is no Law against love. >>> >> >>> >> On 1/31/15, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> > Welcome Sue. Interesting points. Have to agree your statement on >>> the >>> >> > point of compassion. How we achieve that seems the difficulty. I >>> often >>> >> > >>> >> > think we could live more as we organise school, though without some >>> of >>> >> the >>> >> > overbearing teachers I remember and with better control of the >>> bullies. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > On Saturday, January 31, 2015 at 6:22:15 AM UTC, Sue Linda wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> consider consciousness. The endless pursuit of humanity all >>> threw >>> >> >> history. To find such, is a inner exploring of who resides inside >>> the >>> >> >> >>> >> >> body >>> >> >> you call self. There is no standard to consciousness for the >>> life of >>> >> >> >>> >> >> each >>> >> >> has experienced very different events in life that taught them to >>> >> perceive >>> >> >> >>> >> >> their own reality and truth by such. It would seem to reason than >>> that >>> >> >> >>> >> to >>> >> >> >>> >> >> actually find truth in consciousness is to realize that in this >>> school >>> >> >> >>> >> of >>> >> >> >>> >> >> life on this planet, is designed to teach each by experience. >>> Than in >>> >> >> >>> >> a >>> >> >> twist of learning this of self and that others are also no >>> different >>> >> than >>> >> >> >>> >> >> you other than the experience, I would think that the only thing >>> left >>> >> to >>> >> >> say is have compassion on all, for we do not create our own life >>> until >>> >> >> >>> >> we >>> >> >> >>> >> >> realize that this is true. I would also state, that once you come >>> to a >>> >> >> >>> >> >> place of compassion for All humans, than the release of seeing >>> >> differences >>> >> >> >>> >> >> is dissolved. Life then can begin for the first time as the self >>> then >>> >> >> >>> >> >> would choose to live each day without remembrance to the past >>> >> experience. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Without past recall, then future projections are absent for there >>> is >>> >> >> nothing that can be judged by past experience. Consciousness >>> then >>> >> would >>> >> >> >>> >> >> be a daily revealing met with a world of no expectation of evil or >>> of >>> >> >> good. >>> >> >> Like a child who just lives in the moment. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 7:05:54 PM UTC-6, RP Singh >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Suppose there had been no consciousness and the entire world had >>> been >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> there but all unconscious , what would be the Truth? Just death , >>> >> nothing >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> else. Consciousness is what makes life , a proof that there is >>> >> something >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> which exists , Existence itself and not death. Look at the stars >>> , the >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> solar system , if it had self-direction where would we be? It all >>> >> obeys >>> >> >>> laws and that is the reason for order in the universe and not >>> chaos. >>> >> What >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> would humanity have been if we were not bound by our nature , no >>> laws >>> >> >>> >>> >> of >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> biology , psychology , etc. , no predictability , no comfort that >>> we >>> >> >>> would >>> >> >>> return to our homes at night ,no assurance that we would return >>> home >>> >> from >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> work . 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