Allan, medical science has developed a lot and nowadays we have brain 
tonics which make thinking clearer. Ask your doctor,he will be able to help 
you here.

On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 12:20:28 AM UTC+5:30, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> RP part of my problem is medical in nature..
>
> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RP Singh <[email protected] <javascript:>>
> To: Minds Eye <[email protected] <javascript:>>
> Sent: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 7:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence
>
> Words are used to convey meaning, yet meaning can still be communicated in 
> simple language as long as the idea is clear in the mind. If you have 
> clarity of thought you will communicate meaning in some way or other, 
> flowery language is not a necessity. Allan, you have enough words to 
> communicate, just develop clarity of thought.
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 11:36 PM, <[email protected] <javascript:>> 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> (sigh)  if only my english was so good.. 
>>
>>
>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: archytas <[email protected] <javascript:>>
>> To: [email protected] <javascript:>
>> Sent: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 6:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence
>>
>> Equafinality is a word most have not heard, yet just means there may be 
>> many roads to the same outcome.  Id, ego and super-ego are just terms from 
>> Freud and various origins in religion and literature (Attic tragedy, 
>> Goethe, Shakespeare).  Some receive 'I think therefore I am' as 'clever', 
>> others mistrust the grounding, even of doubt, in this glib form of 
>> philosophy based on "presence".  Like Allan, some have it that this 
>> wordy-merdey is just a form of dominating presence itself.  Science can 
>> easily beat people up by asking them to integrate, differentiate, work out 
>> vectors, draw curves from data and even do and record some simple 
>> measurements.  If Gabby and I met (and the bullets missed), we would have 
>> to speak in English for me to understand as my German is even more 
>> schoolboy than the rest of me.  Unless blind, most of us could look down a 
>> microscope and see Brownian motion (bits from pollen grains buffeted by 
>> molecules), but most of us lack the language to understand this (one does 
>> not see the molecules or the physics of a potential pathway to the stars).
>>
>> Tony's tent is not a bad example of a tensor system (Einstein - but the 
>> ideas come from how bridges stay up), though guy-ropes need some slack as I 
>> remember.
>>
>> "With respect to many, if not most issues, there exist significant 
>> differences of opinion among individuals who seem to be equally 
>> knowledgeable and sincere. Individuals who apparently have access to the 
>> same information and are equally interested in the truth affirm 
>> incompatible perspectives on, for instance, significant social, political, 
>> and economic issues. Such diversity of opinion, though, is nowhere more 
>> evident than in the area of religious thought. On almost every religious 
>> issue, honest, knowledgeable people hold significantly diverse, often 
>> incompatible beliefs."
>>
>> "Alston suggests that our inability to describe the elements of 
>> religious-mystical experiences from a phenomenological point of view does 
>> not imply that they lack a distinctive phenomenology, or that they fail to 
>> be directed at some mind-independent reality, in rather the way that sense 
>> experiences are.  We lack a relevant vocabulary, he argues, because we 
>> cannot construct any simple correlation between a range of “stimulus 
>> conditions” for mystical perception and the kinds of experience which are 
>> likely to arise under those conditions. And therefore we cannot refine a 
>> vocabulary for the description of mystical experience by replication of 
>> relevant conditions and renewed attention to the phenomenology of the 
>> experiences that occur under those conditions. By contrast, there is no 
>> difficulty in general in specifying the phenomenology of an experience of, 
>> say, turning one's face into a breeze, because it is easy to recreate the 
>> stimulus conditions for such an experience, and we can therefore attend 
>> repeatedly to the character of the experience. And since others can also do 
>> this, we can establish a public language for the description of such 
>> experiences."
>>
>> It all gets wordy-merdey pretty quickly and many are not good with words 
>> or other forms of representation.  Sue is just back from work and my heart 
>> skipped a beat (not really of course) and yesterday Max swam the river to 
>> get to a family of deer on the other side.  I thought I might have to rush 
>> across to save the deer from harassment, but the lad just looked, seemed to 
>> chat and came back. A snake told me he wasn't a serpent (well, he actually 
>> told me that with different HOX genes he would have fingers to make the 
>> appropriate gesture to artists for there aeons of misrepresentation).  It 
>> is true snakes could grow legs if we could manipulate their HOX genes.  The 
>> rest is not something we should be silent on.  I can explain the HOX set-up 
>> in detail.  The mystic is more difficult.  In fact, the detail of presence, 
>> is overwhelming.
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 3:15:24 PM UTC, RP Singh wrote:
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>>> Allan, O.K. it is just a discussion, but tell me how I am threatening or 
>>> controlling.
>>>
>>> "  the problem  develops in the threatening and controlling manner that 
>>> is implied.. "
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 2:27 PM, <[email protected] <javascript:>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good morning world,, omnipresence if I didn't  know better I would 
>>>> think it was  RP type word..  I has the same type of d&d.
>>>> One I think that is one of those  teachings though in reality it is 
>>>> actually true,,  the problem  develops in the threatening and controlling 
>>>> manner that is implied.. 
>>>>  
>>>> To me it seems many theologians are all about mudding the issue be 
>>>> insisting they have the only true and accurate understanding of what is 
>>>> said. Very closed minded in how ideas are viewed. There seems  to be a 
>>>> need 
>>>> to have an attitude of my God is greater than your God. 
>>>>
>>>> I think what I am always  searching for is how to have a closer 
>>>> harmonious interaction with the presence as I understand him. The I Ching 
>>>> is one resource I use when I need to make am important decision. I like 
>>>> reading the I Ching ( tossing the coins ) creates a randomness in thought. 
>>>>  
>>>> Oddly I never
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: gabbydott <[email protected] <javascript:>>
>>>> To: "[email protected] <javascript:>" <[email protected] 
>>>> <javascript:>>
>>>> Sent: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 8:54 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence
>>>>
>>>> Okay, let me try once more. Apart from the presence there is the 
>>>> superego and the baser drives that in one way or another serve the 
>>>> presence. The One is the frame within all this is bound to happen. Better 
>>>> now?
>>>>
>>>> Am Mittwoch, 25. Februar 2015 schrieb RP Singh <[email protected] 
>>>> <javascript:>>:
>>>>
>>>>> Nope, the presence is the better you and the worse you, the superego 
>>>>> is developed through the stages of your life whereas the worse you , the 
>>>>> id 
>>>>> , are your baser drives which continuously challenge you and corrupting 
>>>>> your reason as well. The One is the source behind the universe which 
>>>>> inexorably binds everyone so subtly that it is hard to understand.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Gabby <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It is the "presence of the better of you" that had Neil remind you of 
>>>>>> the "presence of the worse" also. Only when both sides are integrated, 
>>>>>> he 
>>>>>> would allow for "true". I conclude the true presence can be situated in 
>>>>>> the 
>>>>>> past, present, future and would match your definition of the One. Right?
>>>>>>
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