True and circularly inconsistent at the same time. On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 10:35:46 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: > > Does not matter how you view reality you are and always be part of it .. > there then the real question is do you want to be connected or disconnected > to this reality.. totally your choice. > And that has nothing to do how I view anything .. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: archytas <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:09 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics > > We can wire up religious brains (you might have to hold Molly down while I > inject the radioactive stuff!) - seriously done with Tibetan monks, nuns > and people speaking in tongues. Interesting snippets include similar > changes in frontal and parietal lobes across religions and marked decreases > in language centre activity in those speaking in tongues. Essentially, > religious experience decreases our normal sensing of the outside world - > most of us seem hard-wired into this. > > I don't do your soul thing, having the issue that reality is the only > place to get a decent meal. Your system was once described by Paul > Feyerabend in 'Against Method' as 'dream-worlds', a fairly anarchist view. > There is something non-evaluatory about this I like, but I can't see it > leading anywhere. > > Pragmatism is not theism in the traditional sense and turns more to being > the the 'game' with god. It's not that long since we had little clue on > the electro-magnetic spectrum even though we could see part of it. > > On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 9:17:47 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> I managed to down load the paper on my phone .. my tablet did not like it. >> Managed to read part of it i have heard the same arguments earlier .. >> very small print.. as the format is not designed for mobile.. reality is >> our world is going mobile and there is a need to evolve with it. >> >> The idea is not to connect religion to science or visa versa .. what >> Einstein realized is science is the study of God.. nothing more. As >> strange as this is going to sound Neil even you are part of God's being not >> all of it but an independent part. Capable of accessing the totality of >> the presence as "U" understand him, not as others want you to understand >> him.. reality is with every soul has a one to one relationship with the >> Presence . Most souls say they do not want that relationship and no thank >> you is an acceptable valid answer. >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: archytas <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 9:12 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >> >> There is a paper with some of the difficult science in it - >> http://dspace.creighton.edu:8080/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10504/65506/2015-9.pdf?sequence=1 >> >> and points out that one of the founders of the standard model was a >> Catholic priest. I think the main questions concern how we might make it >> all simple enough to be widely understandable without the cheating in the >> video. The most obvious core is truth seeking. >> >> On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 7:40:18 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>> >>> The movie has the science wrong Allan, but we could make one with the >>> real science making the same points in an accurate manner. Some scientists >>> believe we could progress further in science if we stripped it of even more >>> religion too. The mystic side often claims that their techniques are >>> simple and everyone can share them. I don't think this is true and its >>> complicated by emotions be so gullible - yet I want something rather like >>> this and education as we have it fails. And religious institutions as >>> control frauds are in the way. We need some dialogue that isn't between >>> 'Dawkins' and fundamentalists. >>> >>> On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 5:50:53 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> Excellent video and web page. There is recall visiting a small museum >>>> hidden under a cover you could lift a cover and read from one of >>>> Eisenstein's journal.. what an exciting moment seeing the actual work in >>>> his own hand.. ( if we meet here for a visit Neil we will have to go and >>>> view this treasure) >>>> >>>> I agree with out the presence science to me has no value. In the movie >>>> they talk about crossing the time space barrier you cross to make the >>>> connection with the presence and the reservoir of total knowledge >>>> contained >>>> within. >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 5:36 PM >>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >>>> >>>> The most beautiful and profound emotion we can experience is the >>>> sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to whom >>>> this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in >>>> awe, >>>> is good as dead. >>>> When I examine myself and my methods of thought, I come to the >>>> conclusion that the gift of fantasy has meant more to me than my talent >>>> for >>>> absorbing positive knowledge >>>> >>>> Einstein. >>>> >>>> This guy has kindly put together 800 Einstein quotes - >>>> http://www.gurteen.com/gurteen/gurteen.nsf/id/X0001134E/ >>>> >>>> >>>> My potted version of Einstein working on Relativity and the quantum is >>>> not so mystical. The rock and hard place of his time were Maxwell's great >>>> equations of forces we can't see (mystical sort of) and contradictory >>>> empirical evidence from experiment (Hopf was the great experimenter), >>>> Newton and Galileo had also 'noticed relativity'. Einstein read a lot >>>> and >>>> so knew of the rock and hard place. Even a few school teachers (Abbott) >>>> had noticed the 'relativity of dimensions'. Einstein had really worked >>>> hard on maths most people still don't do and almost certainly cannot. >>>> Poincarre and Lorentz had already produced 'mathematical transformations' >>>> that were the solution seed, Instead of hammering away trying to prove >>>> Maxwell or the experimenters right, Einstein searched for an underlying >>>> kinematics to reconcile both. We might now call this a Wittgensteinian >>>> deconstruction, finding what is common deep in apparently conflicting >>>> arguments. >>>> >>>> Everyone in this group, except Gabby (no not really, I'm emphasizing >>>> here her important notion of the role of the dunce in the corner, the >>>> speed >>>> of inertial violence) will admit they are short on positive knowledge, too >>>> idle or unskilled to do what Einstein did. Of course, we don't have >>>> relativity or quantum physics because of Einstein. There were many others >>>> and it is even possible we might have moved further through modified >>>> Newtonianism. >>>> >>>> The following short video is a science-religion meet kinda thingy. I >>>> regard it as utter, exploitative crap, that works on ignorance, half-baked >>>> ideas and marketing to them. >>>> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BiTWFdnd7Q >>>> >>>> >>>> To rework current very silly arguments in which 'bright' people like >>>> Dawkins take on idiot creationists, we need to go down deeper, yet at the >>>> same time not insist participants have 'huge qualifications' in positive >>>> knowledge that attempt to make silk purses out of our sows' ears. This is >>>> a tough one. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >
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