I love the last paragraph. It is quite and semi true.. getting away from childhood spirituality. Which he chooses not to share and i respect that.. i would guess running away thing was the result of his beating the drum as he saw it. Kids are not very tolerant to what is different from themselves. Maybe best put as a gang mentality. If you are different you get thumped. There is no difference between the European Understanding of God and the American version the d&d is actually the same.. difference is there us a lot more freedom to flap ones lips and here the pressure is to conform. Incidentally the american bill of rights is almost identical to the dutch version except the dutch version is much earlier .. Molly you can imagine the shock when i found that out..
Neil sorry to disappoint you but a true mystic is a person that becomes acutely aware of the "Presence" it is also highly addictive. A common side effect is mental diarea (sp) There is only one Presence and many different people trying to explain it.. of course they are going to sound copied.. and people love to add to the experience.. or react in different ways. Oddly Neil you and your mystical way clarified a lot of the diarea distilling the ramblings into the "Presence" تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others -----Original Message----- From: archytas <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 4:14 AM Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics The psychological study of mystic consciousness is confronted with a fundamental problem: mystics refer to their experiences of the inexpressible by using texts, that is, to the extent that they communicate at all. However, a verbal description of the experience is like a finger pointing to the moon. Another way of looking at the problem is that the relation between an experience and its verbal interpretation can be compared to a dream and its verbal narrative. What we need to do, then, is to find a method similar to that used by interpreters of dreams. I have visions when I'm not asleep. They are in the room with me as Blake used to say. Sadly, I can't represent them in pictures. - http://ojs.abo.fi/index.php/scripta/article/viewFile/700/997 People dissolve into demons, imps or grow horns. Other people have auras and the world usually shakes when they are about. I see some pretty terrifying things and get very scared - though I can walk up to such 'creatures' and touch them away. I used to have a 'crime scene cinema' and can still pull up ones that haunt me. On one occasion, CCTV showed my recall right against that of three other police witnesses. I have seen what appeared to be battles (contained in the room yet apparently distant) - and in Moldova saw a massed cavalry charge of Mongols met by western armies from a position looking out from a monastery dug into a limestone hill. A real horse and cart being driven across this view put an end to the experience. There had been a battle there. I've seen trees walk. Whatever it is I always know where the reality is too. I know others. Normally, I would consider people able to report the same experiences good empirical back up. In the religious mystic field I'm afraid I feel I'm witnessing manipulation and copying. I don't like feeling like this about other people. On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 10:47:33 PM UTC, archytas wrote: > > Indeed you are a god to me Tony - just don't fall on my spot at the bottom > of the precipice or break Allan's coffee machine on the way down. One > could fall to grace. The Russians stopped drilling into the Earth's core > at about 8 miles. Some believe this was because they could hear the > screams from Hell. In fact, their drill just hit a pot of Allan's double > espresso and Gabby was scalded on the floor below. We have had to keep the > trap-door shut since then, though we now get messages she has made her own > hope and sunshine, > > If the mystics are mystic, why do they keep copying each other like > management textbook writers and gurus? I sort of want something different > and if I had the experience would be really pissed off if I could only > describe it as though I'd just come out of a Tom Perter's session. Of > course, I haven't be purified yet or got a licence to fly the higher plane. > If it's VTOL I promise to drop by and take you on the ride. > > There has to be more to mysticism than the Soylent Green type and the > sales pitchers of its nutritional value. Maths with no numbers does a bit > of it for me, but as we know, Allan zeroes out. We use light to remind > mice about good times and they return to them. Thought a lot on Andrew's > framework down by the river. A couple of young girls were hugging Zak - > his now rather done in back legs got a temporary cure and he bounded with > the mystic eyes of pleasure for a bit. Max went to round the old guy up so > we could go home, but the girls' dad was telling them about river otters, > so we stayed a while. To the girls' delight, the dogs went into the river > to demonstrate. It's out there somewhere. > > On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 9:35:33 PM UTC, facilitator wrote: >> >> I happen to be very humble. Sometimes proud of it. I did not answer >> myself. Anyone reading that has to resharpen their senses so as to make a >> more simple response quite profound. >> >> Clearly their is something at work here which requires me know to >> "adjust" my dispenser orifice. My narcissistic arrogance was not present >> at that age since I mostly found myself fighting off gangs from other >> blocks in my urban neighborhood. Very little time to think past which >> alley way is the quickest route home. Being careful not to become cynical, >> I weave my way around and find no alley way. Expounding on this any further >> would probably cheapen the experience. Fascinating! Thinking there might >> be a deity involved would be a first step, thinking I might be my own deity >> is not a step but a precipice. >> >> On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 5:13:36 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>> >>> Knowing more than Tony is easy. Like Zaphod Beeblebrox, his ego is >>> bigger than imagination from a slice of Proust's angel cake that took him >>> back to an aunty's. Using such power to visit an aunt reveals a lack of >>> knowledge or a very dull boy. As Tony cannot be the latter, one presumes >>> the former, though this does not exclude the possibility his ego is bigger >>> than the universe itself. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
