RP this is an example of the problem. It was a general statement and has not to do anything to how you run your life. If you are going to take my words upon yourself I don't think there is any purpose in my continuing in the group.
The two statements are exactly oppose each other. I like you and have several Hindu friends and i actually do enjoy reading some of the teachings. At the same time there is not one of them i would follow as a spiritual path for myself. . The gurus of today i just want to run the other way as fast as my short legs can carry me.. This group hate to inform there is not a member looking to change their belief or someone to follow. There is no leader of the pack,,, تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others -----Original Message----- From: RP Singh <[email protected]> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics I have read the post to which you refer and have found that what was a general statement that we should not engage ourselves in pursuit of reality has been taken by you as referring to you. It was a general statement and has not to do anything to how you run your life. If you are going to take my words upon yourself I don't think there is any purpose in my continuing in the group. It is now six years that I have been in this group and now feel that my journey has come to an end. On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > Again, I will advise you to focus on your own behavior instead of mine for > the answer to your question. > > > On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 10:50:45 AM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote: > >> When you post something in an online conversation you have to be ready to >> face criticism, which is necessary for an honest discussion, "it is as you >> say RP" not that type of response The response must be honest for we are >> not here to socialize rather to thrash out ideas, and if in that exchange >> we are embarrassed we have to adjust to the situation because criticism in >> these matters is not personal rather of the viewpoint in question. If I >> have hurt you somewhere it is unintentional and to be understood as >> conversational banter. >> >> On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I gave you a list of rude statement in my last post to you, RP. Why are >> you asking Neil about it now (how rude)? I suggest you look to your own >> behavior if you want to discover your own rudeness. >> >> >> On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 5:26:21 AM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote: >> >> Where have I been rude to Molly can anyone tell me, it was just a clash >> of viewpoints and in discussions you have to come out strongly which both >> of us did. If there was sarcasm it was from both sides, and in discussions >> in the modern world chivalry won't do. This is an online conversation and >> most of the time you don't even realize that you are talking to a lady. So, >> Neil, will you point out to me where I was rude? >> >> On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 1:02 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Well, now we know Molly is just regressing to a foetal state on the >> 'basis' on 9 LSD case studies, we can safely dismiss mysticism and become >> slaves of RP's non-mystic unconscious god, naively suffering misery and >> euphoria concerning achievements not ours. This is science but not as we >> know it Jim. >> >> I'm off for an adult conversation with Charlie Brown. Doesn't Lucy do >> some character assassination psychoanalysis? The mystic bit is not in the >> bickering. It would concern the superordinate, not dropping concrete block >> absolutes as the only answer to everything.. >> >> >> On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 6:37:11 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> RP even your Hindu say there is a soul. You are saying it does not exist. >> Which is right? >> I know I have a soul it is not a best guess as your statements are. I >> know God is real far beyond best guess.. Your reality is nothing more than >> best guess of what you think you have seen. >> Do you know what I have experienced to the point you can exclude my >> experiences as invalid dismissing them with the wave of your hand claiming >> superior knowledge, which to me is little more than a guess. >> I can understand your point of view and how you arrived at your >> conclusion including why you feel they are valid.. From your perspective >> they are valid. >> >> The problem is you are only in possessions of partial perspective. Now >> the real question is can you truly understand the perspective of others. >> Fortunately your perspective does not effect my soul or the souls of >> others. Each soul is responsible for only it's perspective. It is a matter >> of free will. Sorry but I did not forget that to you free will does not >> exist. Sadly apparently you have already made your choice. >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >> Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 6:25 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >> >> Man easily accepts what is appealing and that is why people believe in an >> after-life. It is the survival instinct that stops us from accepting what >> is evident and obvious. Death is certain yet we escape it by taking on the >> non-dual perspective, but we are far from the non-dual and always in >> duality. It is not the case of one Molly but thousands of others talking >> about all-in-one and one-in-all and a non-dual perspective. I don't think >> that they even have an idea of what is non-dual, taking an experience of >> awareness to be the absolute state. >> My view might be disturbing because death is certainly so, but you cannot >> escape it by imagining to be the non-dual. We are always responsible >> people, yet we are fettered by bonds not recognizable as such, and so the >> arrogance and depression. Truth remains what it is and yet we find it >> painful, so what else but spirituality to cloak it in just to have a >> delusion of immortality. >> >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 10:03 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I don't take you any other way RP than straight. One must bend in the >> wind from time to time. I have known nuns be a bride of god one day and >> have given it up the next. Millions have converted with changes in >> empire. Most religionists keep the religion they were born with, >> suggesting thought has little to do with it. We might envisage 'Molly' as >> a good Islamic girl and so on if born in another culture - some are so >> racist they can't envision such - though I would have another explanation >> of this particular Molly and wouldn't want to bother with explanation at >> all. I doubt you can escape superiority by essentialist biological claims >> about being a slave of nature, something you are anyway not. Now you have >> supernatural agents working in the world instead of responsible people, who >> can now only feel under delusion. >> >> Mysticism is all over the place in history and science. I don't know >> whether I want more of it or to understand how to get rid of it (as in >> constructor theory and rainbow gravity). I 'speak' to machines that have >> produced mystic (to me) outcomes that prove right. Some may think this >> deluded, but lack both my maths and the better stuff coming from the >> smarter machine. I doubt we are ever dual so non-dual is irrelevant. At >> least Molly isn't turning us all into slaves of a god so cruel that we get >> to feel shit or smug instead of at peace as robots on the hamster wheel of >> fatalism. Even Xtianity is more appealing than this nightmare of yours RP >> - no wonder you want an unconscious end. >> >> Science is very sceptical - far more so than most can take - but one does >> not have to detach spiritual comfort or discomfort or what religious >> processing might be. Admittedly, most of what I hear and read on religion >> and spirituality is bunk or old hat. But if it works on anyone I want to >> know why - and if the products are good like machine output who cares? >> >> >> On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 2:03:36 PM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >> >> I like to be straight forward but am not abusive, If I talk about other >> people it is not to hurt but rather to make them realize that in my opinion >> they are just rationalizing experiences into what they are not. What is the >> non-dual perspective? How can you be infinite and finite at the same time? >> I am either me, a man, or God. I cannot be both. The world is deterministic >> or free, it cannot be both, but a man can be free because he doesn't know >> the hidden bondage and acts according to impulses or reason and yet be an >> instrument in the hands of Nature. Nature is such that it acts from within >> the organism and from outside it, but ultimately it is Nature which acts >> and man is just the agent. I do not claim that my viewpoint raises me above >> others because I know that it is not mine but one passed down to me by >> Nature. Everyone is a slave of nature and nature is such that man becomes >> attached to the work he does and becomes arrogant or depressed because of >> the belief that it is he who acts. >> >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 7:05 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> The genetic predispositions tend to have some kind of use. Some of these >> are very crude, like sickle cell disease as a counter to malaria, or >> diabetes in response to famine. Some are permanently disposed to delusion >> and I really believe we live in a control fraud. mostly chemical in origin >> like enslaved ants. Mystics pump out enslaving soma but may also be in >> pursuit of freedom. Marx had some good ideas on freedom, but was also >> stuck in the gas of racism and economic determinism - the poverty of >> historicism and its chronic stupidity. You wouldn't think much of me >> telling you what to do on the basis of my 'superior skin colour' like some >> of my worst ancestors RP (though I'm a fourth generation union man on my >> fathers side). We cannot go around telling people what they should have >> done, yet in a way we also should say we think they are wrong. >> >> I don't read much mystic stuff because it is so quickly boring and >> obviously copied - but this is true of almost all presstitute news.and >> soi-called entertainment. I skip sex and action sequences in film because >> they are boring copies of copies. How would we decide on what should be >> taught? Thousands of serious experts have got this as badly wrong as >> religionists who think education is about beating their book into kids. >> >> Poor little deluded Molly. Shall we go over to the US to make sure she >> is safe crossing the road? Look right, look left, look right again now >> Moll - oops! You guys drive on the right! Much as our certain attitudes >> won't do RP (or Molly's) neither will some soggy relativism. I think we >> might get further thinking the future with a real history in a semantic >> web. 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