Mysticism takes us to the divine presence from which the universe emanates in a predetermined way. When we look at atoms this is quite evident but as regard to us humans there is a facade of a conscious free will which makes predetermination to be accepted very difficult. How can anyone agree that he is going along a predetermined way when ostensibly he is doing everything with a conscious free will, and with this comes attachment to all actions produced by oneself with the accompanying responsibility and egoism.
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 12:31 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > I hear you loud and clear.. > > Agreed > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: archytas <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 7:47 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics > > One might see patterns in the worst of religious education, economics and > the overall system we have that barely teaches most people to be at all > open to evidence. Retreating to the womb psicko-analysis is as > rationalising as fundamentalists protecting ancient text as the word of god. > > On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 5:03:33 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >> >> It would be much easier to accept all this without the poison of >> corruption and ignorance. 90% or more academic papers, despite so-called >> peer review, including medicine and hard science are rot, and of what's >> left few advance anything significant. Text books are 99% copies of copies >> or a dud original. Not long ago economics was a science, now one is >> supposed to take the stance of an objective scientist more than 60-100 >> years after we knew scientists are not objective. Look how slow our public >> language has been to catch up. Molly talks (in All About Living) of >> something I profoundly agree, a need to expose injustice. There is room >> for the 'non-believer', the different - it goes on. I don't care for the >> religious aspects, but this is because I frame them differently. The idea >> that science has destroyed religion is childish, though I think it is clear >> our societies have all been had by mystical rot, fable and sheer terror >> (instruments of torture). >> >> The kind of things I would have liked to discuss go beyond exposing >> 'truth' and into mechanisms of exposure, from how religious experience >> works to how we still manage of keep injustice invisible in plain sight. I >> could pull Molly's books apart, but you have to know here we try to do the >> same with Einstein (whose main work is a critique and synthesis of Maxwell >> and experimenters) and have done this with Darwin and two-dimensions paper >> geometry. And that I would be happy for kids to be taught from her >> material and do something similar trying to get over scientific method to >> undergraduates. >> >> This group has never got the message that you can find argument to >> support or against almost anything. Science has experimental evidence >> difficult to replicate in other fields (though I can find arguments that >> dispute this). Argument is actually very rare - nearly everything >> pretending to be is rhetoric or disguised polemic. I don't do Molly's one >> but see good in its aspiration. I have found, despite a rather chronic >> positive generality that makes me uncomfortable, anticipation of much I >> would want. >> >> In the end there are things about getting on with each other in some way >> other than in positive manners so easily corrupted in a world that doesn't >> read, do science and exists in varieties of personal comfort, extracted by >> rationalisation. I don't think most people can see the truth and their >> minds are not structured to do this. This might well be a problem for the >> truth-seeker expecting that to expose truth is enough. Each to her own we >> say in all 'tolerance', forgetting the sociopath and that such relativism >> is both tolerant and all manner of excuses. >> >> On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 2:52:00 PM UTC, Molly wrote: >> >> A good, but lengthy interiew with Rupert Sheldrake: http://www. >> thebestschools.org/features/rupert-sheldrake-interview/ >> <http://www.thebestschools.org/features/rupert-sheldrake-interview/> >> >> Articulates some of what is being bandied about here: >> >> >> 1. Our viewpoint and how it effects our lives >> >> ... > > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
