I agree that no soul left behind concept..  the problem lies in every soul has 
free will with the same known  guideline. But there in lies the problem and 
Andrew  stated it clearly he is bringing  his own parachute to be used for 
escape if he does like the chatter  from the back..  
A parachute is an escapist attitude and many many souls have it. They can 
neither lead nor are they able to follow, kind of like a gang mentality where 
they are told how to think, what to say and who to kick.. a good example might  
be the US legislatures. 
Ready to blame the other guy as they bail from the may lay  they created as 
their platinum parachute blossoms over their heads shielding them from the 
poverty, disease, and hunger they created leaving no soul behind..
I think it is very true for the souls that do decide  it is the path to follow. 
. 
You can lead a horse to water but you can not make them drink..

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

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From: Molly <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 11:16 AM
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?

Tortured souls do present a challenge in the "no soul left behind" 
initiative. Sorry to keep repeating it. It somehow tickled me. I do know 
the tremendous challenges the no child left behind policy presented to the 
US school system. I wonder if the notion isn't more critical at the soul 
level.

On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 5:19:06 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
>
> Someone will blame it on failing to moderate the Cherokee girl within the 
> hour.  Standard neo-Darwinism now is that we are borne in a co-evolutionary 
> arms' race.  Even micro-organisms that fight in the wild can cooperate in 
> other circumstances.  Perhaps our closest profile are the assimilating 
> Borg.  We are nothing like the humans portrayed in literature.  That thing 
> you kiss has fewer human cells than micro-organisms, even when not dying of 
> 'flu.  And wars are about such as smallpox blankets, starvation ... 
>
> In some species of ants, even workers may be distinguished by nine levels 
> of aggression.  Lions are very 'Numbers 31' when new males take over a 
> pride and we even relate female 'promiscuity' in chimps and other 
> strategies to the prevention of infanticide by males (hippos do this too).  
>
> Mum would have had no time for me telling tales on that dreadful Thiede 
> girl.  This said, some of the instruments of torture that prevent learning 
> are present in this group and elsewhere in our petty spite societies. 
>  These are important matters, so we can rely on mostly silence here.  Gabby 
> raises them behind her own screen and multiple aliases.  I would go a long 
> way to be victim of her wit, at least, as we said once, 't'foot a oor 
> stairs'.  No use running all the way home to Mommy.
>
> The est of the war story is economics as war by other means (discussed by 
> Greeks, found in More's Utopia) and beggaring neighbours.  This may even 
> have an 'international financier' problem concealed in it.
>
> A big thesis in what I'd call 'perceptual-speed-language' is needed to 
> discuss war and complex human issues.  Now what might such language be? 
>  How might it help those too ignorant to know many facts?
>
> On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 6:35:47 AM UTC, Molly wrote:
>>
>> There is a story, believed to be of Cherokee origin, in which a girl is 
>> troubled by a recurring dream in which two wolves fight viciously. Seeking 
>> an explanation, she goes to her grandfather, highly regarded for his 
>> wisdom, who explains that there are two forces within each of us, 
>> struggling for supremacy, one embodying peace and the other, war. At this, 
>> the girl is even more distressed, and asks her grandfather who wins. His 
>> answer: “The one you feed.”
>>
>> This from a New York Times article "Are We Hard-Wired for War" 
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/opinion/sunday/are-we-hard-wired-for-war.html
>>  
>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2013%2F09%2F29%2Fopinion%2Fsunday%2Fare-we-hard-wired-for-war.html&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFdOc9Ush5Ai8fOpb4uoS1njKyo_Q>
>>
>> That also references this national interest article on the nature of war:
>>  
>> http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/what-our-primate-relatives-say-about-war-7996
>>  
>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fnationalinterest.org%2Fcommentary%2Fwhat-our-primate-relatives-say-about-war-7996&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNHeehbCq8LgZ8AwpLX2q-9GyACyww>
>>
>> Looks like Kant thought war ingrained in human nature: 
>> http://www.iep.utm.edu/war/#H3  <http://www.iep.utm.edu/war/#H3> But I 
>> wonder, are we so hell bent on dominating one another that we can't help 
>> but rip each other apart, whatever the group? Marshall Rosenberg's 
>> compassionate communication model has been around for at least a decade but 
>> you couldn't see it anywhere in a CNN broadcast. The models of argument, 
>> problems solving, conflict resolution, group dynamic are available to 
>> everyone here since this group is on the internet, yet the drive to 
>> deconstruct into war and chaos seems to overwhelm, and often. Why? We go 
>> around an around with it, and come up with problems in translation and 
>> cultural differences yet it seems to me that over time these could be 
>> resolved. So what is it that brings us back to the dross over and over? 
>> Beyond who's right and who's wrong there is a skip in the record 
>> here interfering with the concert. What is it?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 7:29:29 PM UTC-4, Molly wrote: 
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/_d8C4AIFgUg  <https://youtu.be/_d8C4AIFgUg>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 7:03:34 PM UTC-4, Molly wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Howard Zinn, http://howardzinn.org/ historian, author, professor, 
>>>> playwright, and activist, whose life’s work focused on a wide range of 
>>>> issues including race, class, war, and history, and touched the lives of 
>>>> countless people, said "war itself is the enemy of the human race"
>>>>  http://bit.ly/1FwyDUP <http://bit.ly/1FwyDUP>
>>>>
>>>> We go to war in a variety of ways, big to small. daily (some of us), in 
>>>> interpersonal ways, and over decades, as the human race. Why?
>>>>
>>>

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