Age old maritime law.. "The captain goes down with the ship." Hmm that would lead to the silence beyond time.
تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others -----Original Message----- From: Molly <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 1:09 PM Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for? I liked Andrew's idea, but since it is your airship Allan, you can be the one to stay and navigate. On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 7:45:55 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: > > I agree that no soul left behind concept.. the problem lies in every soul > has free will with the same known guideline. But there in lies the problem > and Andrew stated it clearly he is bringing his own parachute to be used > for escape if he does like the chatter from the back.. > A parachute is an escapist attitude and many many souls have it. They can > neither lead nor are they able to follow, kind of like a gang mentality > where they are told how to think, what to say and who to kick.. a good > example might be the US legislatures. > Ready to blame the other guy as they bail from the may lay they created > as their platinum parachute blossoms over their heads shielding them from > the poverty, disease, and hunger they created leaving no soul behind.. > I think it is very true for the souls that do decide it is the path to > follow. . > You can lead a horse to water but you can not make them drink.. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: Molly <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 11:16 AM > Subject: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for? > > Tortured souls do present a challenge in the "no soul left behind" > initiative. Sorry to keep repeating it. It somehow tickled me. I do know > the tremendous challenges the no child left behind policy presented to the > US school system. I wonder if the notion isn't more critical at the soul > level. > > On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 5:19:06 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >> >> Someone will blame it on failing to moderate the Cherokee girl within the >> hour. Standard neo-Darwinism now is that we are borne in a co-evolutionary >> arms' race. Even micro-organisms that fight in the wild can cooperate in >> other circumstances. Perhaps our closest profile are the assimilating >> Borg. We are nothing like the humans portrayed in literature. That thing >> you kiss has fewer human cells than micro-organisms, even when not dying of >> 'flu. And wars are about such as smallpox blankets, starvation ... >> >> In some species of ants, even workers may be distinguished by nine levels >> of aggression. Lions are very 'Numbers 31' when new males take over a >> pride and we even relate female 'promiscuity' in chimps and other >> strategies to the prevention of infanticide by males (hippos do this too). >> >> Mum would have had no time for me telling tales on that dreadful Thiede >> girl. This said, some of the instruments of torture that prevent learning >> are present in this group and elsewhere in our petty spite societies. >> These are important matters, so we can rely on mostly silence here. Gabby >> raises them behind her own screen and multiple aliases. I would go a long >> way to be victim of her wit, at least, as we said once, 't'foot a oor >> stairs'. No use running all the way home to Mommy. >> >> The est of the war story is economics as war by other means (discussed by >> Greeks, found in More's Utopia) and beggaring neighbours. This may even >> have an 'international financier' problem concealed in it. >> >> A big thesis in what I'd call 'perceptual-speed-language' is needed to >> discuss war and complex human issues. Now what might such language be? >> How might it help those too ignorant to know many facts? >> >> On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 6:35:47 AM UTC, Molly wrote: >>> >>> There is a story, believed to be of Cherokee origin, in which a girl is >>> troubled by a recurring dream in which two wolves fight viciously. Seeking >>> an explanation, she goes to her grandfather, highly regarded for his >>> wisdom, who explains that there are two forces within each of us, >>> struggling for supremacy, one embodying peace and the other, war. At this, >>> the girl is even more distressed, and asks her grandfather who wins. His >>> answer: “The one you feed.” >>> >>> This from a New York Times article "Are We Hard-Wired for War" >>> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/opinion/sunday/are-we-hard-wired-for-war.html >>> >>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2013%2F09%2F29%2Fopinion%2Fsunday%2Fare-we-hard-wired-for-war.html&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFdOc9Ush5Ai8fOpb4uoS1njKyo_Q> >>> >>> That also references this national interest article on the nature of war: >>> >>> http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/what-our-primate-relatives-say-about-war-7996 >>> >>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fnationalinterest.org%2Fcommentary%2Fwhat-our-primate-relatives-say-about-war-7996&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNHeehbCq8LgZ8AwpLX2q-9GyACyww> >>> >>> Looks like Kant thought war ingrained in human nature: >>> http://www.iep.utm.edu/war/#H3 <http://www.iep.utm.edu/war/#H3> But I >>> wonder, are we so hell bent on dominating one another that we can't help >>> but rip each other apart, whatever the group? Marshall Rosenberg's >>> compassionate communication model has been around for at least a decade but >>> you couldn't see it anywhere in a CNN broadcast. The models of argument, >>> problems solving, conflict resolution, group dynamic are available to >>> everyone here since this group is on the internet, yet the drive to >>> deconstruct into war and chaos seems to overwhelm, and often. Why? We go >>> around an around with it, and come up with problems in translation and >>> cultural differences yet it seems to me that over time these could be >>> resolved. So what is it that brings us back to the dross over and over? >>> Beyond who's right and who's wrong there is a skip in the record >>> here interfering with the concert. What is it? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 7:29:29 PM UTC-4, Molly wrote: >>>> >>>> https://youtu.be/_d8C4AIFgUg <https://youtu.be/_d8C4AIFgUg> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 7:03:34 PM UTC-4, Molly wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Howard Zinn, http://howardzinn.org/ historian, author, professor, >>>>> playwright, and activist, whose life’s work focused on a wide range of >>>>> issues including race, class, war, and history, and touched the lives of >>>>> countless people, said "war itself is the enemy of the human race" >>>>> http://bit.ly/1FwyDUP <http://bit.ly/1FwyDUP> >>>>> >>>>> We go to war in a variety of ways, big to small. daily (some of us), >>>>> in interpersonal ways, and over decades, as the human race. 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