I have abandoned warp technology.  At relativistic speeds collisions with 
the cosmic background radiation become problematic and colliding with a 
speck of dust would produce as much energy at a couple of tons of exploding 
TNT - http://arxiv.org/pdf/1503.05845v1.pdf

On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 6:24:26 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> Chris is the weird fellow that started the ME group.. 
>
> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Lynch <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 1:39 AM
> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?
>
> 'Dance like a butterfly sting like a bee' fair lady. Silence feels like 
> cowardice to me Allan.
>
> Hey Tony, glad to hear Andrew and Fran too! Who's this Chris fellow?
> On Mar 25, 2015 6:10 PM, "Gabby Thiede" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Don't let yourself get distracted, Allan! I am the evil bitch here! You 
>> need to fight with me!
>>
>> Am Mittwoch, 25. März 2015 schrieb :
>>
>>> If you are so neutral why are you promoting the benefits of war..
>>> Are you for war or against war..  your lip flapping is anything but 
>>> neutral. It does not take bravery to be neutral but rather cowardice. .  
>>> Those wanting to profit from war while hiding. .
>>>
>>> I do not like .. i have seen the harm it does and there is no 
>>> neutrality. 
>>>
>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: andrew vecsey <[email protected]>
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Sent: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 10:50 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?
>>>
>>> Neutrality kept Switzerland out of fighting wars. Wars are immoral. 
>>> Judges in order to do  their job right have to remain neutral. Parents 
>>> should as well remain neutral. Staying neutral takes more bravery than 
>>> taking sides. As an example, some countries and some people find 
>>> homosexuality immoral. In those situations, it takes courage to take a 
>>> neutral stand regarding homosexuals. Neutrality shows fearless and 
>>> unconditional respect.Who is to say what is moral and what is not. And 
>>> something regarded as morally correct at one time  can be regarded as 
>>> immorally wrong at another time. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 9:03:31 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Neutrality is afraid  of taking a position.  A cowards way out.. how 
>>>> now to stand up for what is morally correct..  
>>>>
>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: andrew vecsey <[email protected]>
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Sent: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 8:21 PM
>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?
>>>>
>>>> I think that all of us agree that the negative consequences of war far 
>>>> out weight any of the few positive consequences.  
>>>> The positive consequences of war can be realized by other means, 
>>>> especially in the modern times that we live in.:
>>>> 1. The advance of knowledge and technology can be realized by 
>>>> universities and government and private projects with monetary and merit 
>>>> rewards. 
>>>> 2. People can mix their cultures, knowledge and genes via tourism and 
>>>> exchange projects and the internet.
>>>> 3. Protection against aggressors can be attempted by diplomacy and 
>>>> sanctions.
>>>> 4. Over population can be reduced by education, family planing and 
>>>> contraception.
>>>> 5. We can realize that the world has become a lot smaller and that the 
>>>> brotherhood of man has become a lot clearer. We all have a common enemy in 
>>>> that if nature is exploited further we are all threatened. If you love 
>>>> your 
>>>> enemies, then you will not have any. 
>>>>
>>>> Switzerland has a lot to teach the world in avoiding wars.
>>>> On a political level, the keys to this are neutrality and direct 
>>>> democracy.
>>>> On a personal level, the keys are respect, tolerance, appreciation of 
>>>> diversity, 
>>>>
>>>> Examples are:
>>>> If a part of a canton wants to separate, then accept that fact and let 
>>>> them separate like demonstrated by Jura a few years ago.
>>>> Small is beautiful concept.as demonstrated by semi autonomy of the 
>>>> cantons and the refusal to join Euro.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 12:27:21 PM UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Very interesting question you pose Molly.
>>>>> Of course it is very easy to see the many negative consequences to 
>>>>> war, which seems to be a part of human nature. I like to believe that 
>>>>> there 
>>>>> is always 2 sides to everything - positive and negative. War with weapons 
>>>>> and fighting with words have some common ground, like you suggest. Being 
>>>>> an 
>>>>> aggressor in a war and being a bully also share common ground. 
>>>>>
>>>>> The positive consequences of bullying that I can think of are:
>>>>> 1. It can make you stronger when you are bullied.
>>>>> 2. It shows you who your friends are who come to your aid if you are 
>>>>> bullied.
>>>>> 3. It allows you to show your friendship by coming to the aid of your 
>>>>> friends who are bullied.  
>>>>> 4. It allows you to make friends by coming to the aid of strangers who 
>>>>> are bullied.
>>>>> 5. You can learn from it so that you do not bully others yourself.  
>>>>>
>>>>> The positive consequences of war that I can think of are much more 
>>>>> difficult to spot of course:
>>>>> 1. It advances knowledge and technology that can be useful in times of 
>>>>> peace.
>>>>> 2. It allows people to mix their cultures, knowledge and genes.
>>>>> 3. It can protect your countrymen and family against aggressors.
>>>>> 4. Like natural disasters like floods. earthquakes, fires and 
>>>>> epidemics,it can be used to counteract over population.
>>>>> 5. We can learn from it. If you love your enemies, like Jesus is 
>>>>> claimed to have said, then you will not have any. 
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 12:03:34 AM UTC+1, Molly wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Howard Zinn, http://howardzinn.org/ historian, author, professor, 
>>>>>> playwright, and activist, whose life’s work focused on a wide range of 
>>>>>> issues including race, class, war, and history, and touched the lives of 
>>>>>> countless people, said "war itself is the enemy of the human race"
>>>>>>  http://bit.ly/1FwyDUP <http://bit.ly/1FwyDUP>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We go to war in a variety of ways, big to small. daily (some of us), 
>>>>>> in interpersonal ways, and over decades, as the human race. Why?
>>>>>>
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