Wish you all the best, Andrew, and won't waste anyone's time commenting on points here. You may have come into the group with a mistaken notion of the role of the moderators and expectation can be a powerful derailment itself. Bless your heart.
On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 4:33:23 PM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote: > > Dear members. I would like to say goodbye to you and wish you all the best > in the future. I am sure to drop by every once in a while and see how you > are getting along, but I will try my best not to participate in this group > any longer. Like I pointed out in a past post, the only reason I did stay > in this group as long as I did was that I did find a few gems in the piles > of shit I had to wade thru. It was not easy and it was very frustrating. > Right at the start I was labeled a troll, and later, my posts if they were > not ignored were mainly complaints to my person and not the ideas I was > trying to have a discussion on. Before I sign off, and parachute away, I > would like to make some last comments. > > For me, free speech is the freedom to state your opinion, whatever it is. > In such an internet news group such as this, we can all speak at the same > time and there is no need of any protocols. It is respectful if we all > listen to what is being said by all members. I find that there is a lack of > respect in this group. Respect is also assuming that all members are > humans with a heart beat and with feelings and want to be listened to and > to be taken seriously. Otherwise it is meaningless to have a discussion. > Members who remain silent to serious accusations of their fellow members by > accusers, especially when the accusers are moderators, are loudly and > clearly shouting their agreement with the accusers. So having said that, I > protest the accusations made about Gabby and her aliases, the unfair > treatment of RP as well as accusations made about Ash not being a person > worthy of respect. > > As far as free speech is concerned, I see that in this group, free speech > is just not possible because the moderators limit it on purpose, Freedom, > in order for it to have meaning has to be unconditional. That means that > free speech is being able to say anything you want to say, even if its > talking about Jihadis or bullying others with words. The role of moderation > I believe is to keep the discussion from being derailed. The simple > solution to derailment is to move the bullying and derailing practices to a > separate topic which could be easily ignored by those wishing to ignore it. > > Once again I sincerely wish you all the very best from the depth of my > beating heart. > Andrew Vecsey, [email protected] > > On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 4:54:50 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote: >> >> "At a minimum, speech will have to be limited for the sake of order. If >> we all speak at once, we end up with an incoherent cacophony. Without some >> rules and procedures we cannot have a conversation at all and consequently >> speech has to be limited by protocols of basic civility...... >> >> I guess Molly and I don't want to exclude any views in principle, but >> this is impossible in practice. .....We don't talk about the Jihadis, >> though I have occasionally let one in. ................. I assume the >> only real people left in here are me, Molly, Allan and Tony - apologies to >> Ash and Andrew if they have actual pulses. .......... >> >> On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 3:00:35 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> .......... >>> Free speech does not mean you can say what ever you want.. >>> >>> -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
