I was tempted by their attitude in the 'Cod Wars'. On Thursday, April 2, 2015 at 11:22:12 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote: > > I'm ready to retire in Iceland now. Who's in? I wanted to move there after > college, the hub of experimental theater. The big dream. > > On Thursday, April 2, 2015 at 11:55:06 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >> >> A few places are considering some radical change. Iceland may start >> issuing government currency only - >> https://www.scribd.com/doc/260617614/Iceland-Monetary-Reform >> >> It's maybe easy to see we are being had and taught more or less the >> opposite of what is going on and what we are from a teaching perspective - >> inside the magic circle so to speak. The very people who know magic is not >> being done are the magicians. >> >> On Thursday, April 2, 2015 at 2:46:32 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote: >>> >>> So what more positive might there be Molly? One can welcome the "system >>> that honors the life of a person and offers real team work instead of the >>> current cardboard cut out of it" But how do we recognise the reality, how >>> little work is really needed and how we might have secure lives very >>> different from what's on offer now as slaves to American state capital? >>> I'd hope everyone can see that the term "American" doesn't work very well >>> - we are actually slaves to a capital more difficult to pin down. >>> >>> Yet even in play, we seem to find it impossible to see ourselves other >>> than in the easy dreams. Don makes sense - still lamentably unusual - but >>> what of a n"ew dream not prevented from practice by false assumptions? >>> "Americans" don't like thinking of themselves as bureaucrats (Napoleon has >>> the British as 'a nation of shopkeepers' before we screwed him good) - "we" >>> like more heroic notions, even of Don's 'getting by as a cog in the wheel'. >>> People need to see bureaucracy as something other than what happens in >>> government offices and to do with the secret pleasures of their own lives. >>> The cemented dominance of fundamentally conservative managerial elites - >>> corporate bureaucrats who use the pretext of short-term, competitive, >>> bottom line thinking to squelch anything likely to have revolutionary >>> implications of any kind. >>> >>> I guess most of us can't stand to recognise we've been stiffed. Hence >>> I'm talking about 'you American commies' or 'SAPs'. >>> >>> On Thursday, April 2, 2015 at 1:21:12 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote: >>>> >>>> Like the paradigms of our financial, relational and communication >>>> systems that are changing with no clear new paradigm to move into, it is >>>> not hard to imagine that "work" in our life can change with these, >>>> especially the financial paradigms. Were many now are unemployed or >>>> underemployed, and those employed treated like commodities and worked way >>>> beyond the limits of the law, a system that honors the life of a person >>>> and >>>> offers real team work instead of the current cardboard cut out of it would >>>> be welcome. I see more work arounds than honest work, simply because they >>>> are necessary. >>>> >>>> On Thursday, April 2, 2015 at 12:35:04 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Today's bureaucratic organisational forms almost certainly arise in >>>>> Germany and the United States We live in a time when we need something >>>>> more poetic, positive and fantastic. To understand this we need to see >>>>> almost everything is not as it seems and as we are told. By poetic >>>>> technologies, I mean the use of rational, technical, bureaucratic means >>>>> to >>>>> bring wild, impossible fantasies to life. Universities produce reams of >>>>> paper telling us all we foster imagination and creativity in an >>>>> environment >>>>> in which the barest glimpse of this in the eyes is strangled at birth. >>>>> To >>>>> my shame I have been known to toss research proposals of grad students in >>>>> the bin, declaring them potentially original. The kids look bemused when >>>>> I >>>>> tell them that to do original research they have to do something already >>>>> understood, otherwise no one will understand their creativity. A timid, >>>>> bureaucratic spirit has come to suffuse every aspect of academic life. >>>>> This is cloaked in a language of creativity, initiative and >>>>> entrepreneurialism, probably from a CEO who is a sex pest and rips off >>>>> the >>>>> college for a Bentley, a house loan and job for his unqualified >>>>> girlfriend. >>>>> My view is this is modern Americanism and most of the world has been >>>>> suckered by it. >>>>> >>>>> The odd student picks her submission out of the bin and asks how she >>>>> might get the work done while pretending to do something else. >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, April 2, 2015 at 3:36:57 AM UTC+1, archytas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Work looks like it is 90% bullshit these days. Reward is closer to >>>>>> 99% bull. We could obviously look sensibly into such matters, >>>>>> establishing >>>>>> what needs doing and apportioning it fairly. Something is in the way, >>>>>> including our own fears on personal idleness and being made to work >>>>>> harder >>>>>> once management finds out we spend most of our work time avoiding work. >>>>>> Thinking this through is tough, so you can bet 90% of people won't try. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, 2 April 2015 03:16:06 UTC+1, archytas wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Don't make me into a holy liberal Don! Though I am no longer a >>>>>>> believer we remotely do things as you say - such may have been true >>>>>>> when we >>>>>>> were being dragged up I never liked losing much. You'd have to think >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> whether I want to screw the work ethic or find one that works. You >>>>>>> can't >>>>>>> seriously tell me you believe there is much link between bending your >>>>>>> back >>>>>>> and reward these days, except in hay rolling. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, April 2, 2015 at 2:12:40 AM UTC+1, Don Johnson wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Soviet yes, paradise no. Why on God's green earth would you want to >>>>>>>> destroy the work ethic? The problem with kids today is they don't have >>>>>>>> one. >>>>>>>> Not only that, they aren't even ashamed about it! Work still has to be >>>>>>>> done >>>>>>>> Neil who's going to do it? Sure the hell not me I'd rather teach >>>>>>>> others the >>>>>>>> work ethic I never quite absorbed. Leading by example is too >>>>>>>> exhausting. >>>>>>>> That's for younsters. And immigrants. How do we find out who the best >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> brightest are? Testing? That's infamously unreliable. We find out by >>>>>>>> giving >>>>>>>> kids tasks and seeing how well they complete them and how well they >>>>>>>> deal >>>>>>>> with failure and what they do to recover. Separates the winners from >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> losers. There is no existance without losers Neil. They are as >>>>>>>> necesary as >>>>>>>> food and water. Fail some today, learn, and succeed tomorrow. Boom and >>>>>>>> bust. (see what i did there?) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> dj >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 2:18:56 AM UTC-5, archytas wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Primitive societies are much more egalitarian and murderous than >>>>>>>>> ours. I've never done first contact. Playing rugby league in PNG >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> enough for me. First contact would be a good place for people who >>>>>>>>> protest >>>>>>>>> at the use of words like primitive to understand it is a mistake to >>>>>>>>> leave >>>>>>>>> the AK-M behind. The idea that there ever was a paradise to regain >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> likely tosh, though you can imagine we might have had to regress to >>>>>>>>> enter >>>>>>>>> this universe and evolve to current awareness through various stages >>>>>>>>> - and >>>>>>>>> still carry the baggage of the dinosaurs and so on. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> People have strange notions about government. I can make a case >>>>>>>>> that the USA is now the paradigm case of the Soviet Paradise. It's >>>>>>>>> pretty >>>>>>>>> obvious that none of us get to vote for government, but rather >>>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>>> more akin to union representatives who negotiate with the bankers and >>>>>>>>> crooks who run the show, though the union concerned is a house or >>>>>>>>> sweet-heart one. Surely, not even Sartre could come up with a play >>>>>>>>> so dull >>>>>>>>> it was about people seeking freedom through voting Clinton, Bush, >>>>>>>>> Cameron, >>>>>>>>> Milliband or Hollande - Sarkoszy! You nearly had that utter weirdo >>>>>>>>> who ran >>>>>>>>> a bit of Alaska until it turned out she was banged by a black guy >>>>>>>>> when at >>>>>>>>> college. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Would anyone want to deny the US is now a Soviet Paradise? I >>>>>>>>> still meet a few Europeans who believe they live in a democracy or >>>>>>>>> might if >>>>>>>>> they vote fascist. The job looks so screwed to me that I think we >>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>> start again. You'd think this would be pretty straight-forward if we >>>>>>>>> lived >>>>>>>>> in an open and democratic society. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
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