Ww1 directly against the US. That would have been interesting considering the US isolationism.. the word would have radically differect..
تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others -----Original Message----- From: archytas <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 11:01 PM Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Propaganda Kaiser Bill on the UK throne would probably just have meant a different WW1 - maybe a recolonisation of the US by UK.France, Germany and Russia - followed by white rule invasions across Asia and the Middle East. Some group or another likes this war stuff. On Wednesday, April 15, 2015 at 9:09:00 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: > > That is true.. but there is a Jacuzzi not 6 meters away.. hydo therapy > does wonders.. and the plan will place it 50+ cm off the walk way.. and > inly 1 meter wide. We decided to raise the entire flower garden.. i think > it is called lazy.. > > Am still thinking about national geographic's ongoing dna study. I know > all the monarchies are interrelated. . Bunch of sickos that need to be > abolished. . People infected with wealth and power are often times > reluctant to give it up.. > Can you imagine if the kaiser had become king of england.. no ww1 which > probably would have avoided ww2 .. interesting thought propaganda could > not let that happen. . Could they better war than an unwanted peace and > loss of power.. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: archytas <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 9:41 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Propaganda > > Gardens, I have found, come with back pain. Your small amount may soon > affect the small of your back Allan. > > On Wednesday, 15 April 2015 15:08:02 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> It is nice to know we are not alone in home projects.. finally i get a >> small amount garden.. >> >> It id nice to know the young kids are being drawing into creative >> projects.. please keep me informed of what is going on.. >> >> Politics is really boring. . The latest republican candidate has raised >> my eye brow. Sounds like he is going to let Clinton take on the rampant >> corruption then ride the propaganda surf.. >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Molly <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 12:51 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Propaganda >> >> I am about to turn TV off and go strictly to streaming. The political >> scene isn't worth my time much anymore, and it woes me to see my younger >> family members buying in to the rhetoric. Yeah - Hillary Clinton will fight >> for the middle class - (after she has redistributed the global wealth into >> her pocket through her foundation.) None of it moves me anymore. >> >> Glad spring is here. I've enlisted my resident carpenter to help me >> create a circle study for the garden shed and have begun painting again. >> that ought to keep me happy until the snow begins to fall. >> >> At work we have begun to engage the young creative culture into making >> and sharing video downtown. These kids have imagination and enthusiasm. >> Very contagious. The politics and economy go on without my influence, (and >> unless it all happens in my wake) it seems nothing calls me there. I feel >> grateful. >> >> On Wednesday, April 15, 2015 at 4:10:45 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> Hmm. April 15th is tax filing day. I fully understand. Just fished >>> doing my taxes both here and in the states.. two different countries >>> wanting taxes on the same money. My tax rate is very high.. >>> As for the bribery well there is a new one here. And it will be >>> interesting in the outcome. . Both banks and the police are involved., >>> >>> Bribery in the states realising I am an expat.. I am aware and >>> concerned as what is going on.. because I am not in the states I am not >>> bombarded by the constant propaganda. Until I came to the Netherlands it >>> didn't bother me because didn't know different. >>> >>> Today it seems the propaganda has greatly increased. I see massively >>> excessive amounts of money flowing freely and politicians getting richer or >>> at least it seems that way.. like the weasel bush buying a huge ranch for >>> less money than we paid for our house. >>> >>> All this what I consider inappropriate political behaviour was quickly >>> covered up by the spin doctors with propganda.. they have no laws to stop >>> them. Wait a minute there are laws against bribery but who is going to >>> enforce them the politicians wait a minute they are benefiting so why >>> would they.. >>> >>> The news stations are interested in sensationalism rather than reporting >>> news for the benefit of society.. for them it is all about selling >>> propaganda and they do that by selling numbers not truth. >>> We wondr why society seems to be going to hell in a hand basket. . >>> >>> >>> >>> Bad pun >>> >>> >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Don Johnson <[email protected]> >>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 8:43 AM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Propaganda >>> >>> Damn no wonder all youse Euros hate our guts if this dross is what >>> passes for journalism across the pond. I did like the "War of Northern >>> Agression" referance tho. That's what the Rebs called it. Of course the >>> Emancipation Proclamation was political. So was Lincoln saying he had no >>> intentions of ending slavery when he was trying to get elected. Of course >>> he was working for/with the capitalists they paid for just about everything >>> including the war. The man sure could turn a phrase tho, couldn't he? >>> Churchill was like that as well. What a pair of bastard politicians these >>> fucks were. >>> >>> We need lies Neil. This near atheist agnostic believes we need God. Not >>> the asshole but the forgiving, male, blue-eyed and blond hippie dude. >>> Peace, love and all that. We need the xtian work ethic and the charity. >>> These things exist. I see them in person fairly frequently. Is there a dark >>> side? Absolutely. Are there ratfuck preachers and priests? You betcha. >>> Should we paint the entire institution with the pedo brush? I don't think >>> so. Civilization needs moral structure. The ChiComs and the Soviets wanted >>> to replace God with the State. Nice try; never gonna work. They both >>> figured this out. Society needs the lies. Perhaps we need them about our >>> leaders as well. >>> >>> That article had me mostly nodding in agreement right up until it >>> mentions the West's staunch ally Vladimir Putin. Piss. You want to talk >>> about Emperors this is the guy. Real scary guy. I just read Red Notice by >>> Bill Browder. It's scary as fuck to see what can happen to a country when >>> 20 or so super rich people run the show with no regard for law and order. I >>> see us all headed down this path. America is attacking itself. Like a dog >>> chewing it's own leg off. The Federal government using Alinsky tactics to >>> subdue "upstarts." Rules For Radicals being used by the powers in the White >>> House. Facist attacks on State government trying to protect religious >>> freedoms originally passed on the Federal level bipartisanly by Bill >>> Clinton himself. >>> >>> I'm tellin ya, I am not liking what I'm seeing. And to top it all off I >>> have to send a big fat check to the lying, scum sucking, filthy election >>> fixing bastards at the IRS today. People suck. >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 5:03 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Your clear ethical and moral foundation is fine Allan. Mine might be >>>> half-good. But most people think they have such a foundation. So no >>>> answers there I suspect. >>>> >>>> Across anthropology we find people with clear ethical and moral >>>> foundations based on absolute crap. And people are firmly Xtian one day, >>>> firmly Muslim the next - women convert easier which may be because they >>>> don't have to go through adult circumcision. So what were the form >>>> beliefs >>>> really? They say the brave man dies only once, the coward a hundred times >>>> - yet dying ain't a good move in competitive evolution. Altruism and >>>> heroism should die out, yet in fact, even celibacy runs in families! >>>> >>>> The propaganda can seem political - yet it is surely in deeper than >>>> that. People believe they can spot the bad guy and can make sensible >>>> decisions when they are very ignorant of facts and how to get them. >>>> >>>> I'm sure I'm right on this and that the implications for rational >>>> dialogue are that it is more or less excluded from our public domain. You >>>> and I don't need to 'do rational' with each other Allan - though I suppose >>>> we lapse to it from time to time. I suspect some of the young fogey >>>> Americans who used to grace these pages will be amazed at what they said a >>>> few years back after the next crash. They generally think they are >>>> rational, though I saw no sign of that. Don always struck me as the most >>>> consistent and honest. >>>> >>>> The mistake may be our insistence on 'being rational' - when we mean >>>> don't be nasty all the time, don't swear and other stuff. We are way too >>>> dumb to distinguish rationality from convention. >>>> >>>> I've been wondering why the propaganda is all so bad - stuff like the >>>> TV Westerns, the soaps and on to NCIS and nearly all films are truly >>>> dreadful in standard. Something like this has been happening across >>>> education - we've been calling this dumbing down but I suspect coercion. >>>> >>>> Be good to be able to do something, other than just die thinking we >>>> missed the worst! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, 14 April 2015 15:22:55 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I agree there are deeper mechanism of propaganda than anyone >>>>> realises. In our world it is so prevelant that it goes unnoticed .. >>>>> everything from the blatant to the subliminal. 40 years ago the amount >>>>> of >>>>> information available was truly amazing. . Today the information >>>>> available >>>>> makes intelligence of forty years ago look like a starvation diet. The >>>>> saving grace is i think the ability to interpret it lacks the connection >>>>> to understand as intelligence is becoming dependent on computers. >>>>> By the same idea propaganda is much more controlled. Psychology is >>>>> playing a much greater roll as it has a much greater understanding of >>>>> human >>>>> response. With that greater knowledge of human psychology the ability >>>>> to >>>>> apply this psychology in the form of extremely effective propaganda. . >>>>> Over >>>>> here there is a new republican declared candidate that needs watching.. >>>>> he has a team in the background running full blown propaganda network >>>>> guiding him through the maze.. and they know what they are doing.. he is >>>>> dangerous as I know little about him.. the keywords are there and in >>>>> place. Very scary.. >>>>> >>>>> Now the only way I see to escape the constant manipulation and >>>>> control lies in a clear moral and ethical foundation. >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 12:05 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Propaganda >>>>> >>>>> My guess is deeper mechanisms than we know have been at work in >>>>> keeping us ignorant and probably have a big role in making us sick. Not >>>>> sure what you mean by herbarium here - tends to have me thinking of >>>>> plants. >>>>> >>>>> Going to make myself a cup of tea. Weather colder than promised and >>>>> am waiting for the sun to break through before taking the hounds on a >>>>> riverbank rampage. Might do a bacon roll too. Or crawl back into bed. >>>>> It's not really cold - but we were promised decent sunshine and I'm >>>>> disappointed. Tea will bring me round. >>>>> >>>>> Propaganda critique usually winds up as a kind of propaganda itself, >>>>> often going too far. We need some spirit to break loose, but the usual >>>>> one >>>>> so far has been fascism. This relies on most people being switched off >>>>> from thinking. They need that coral snake applied to ass! >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 10:14:43 AM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> That was interesting article or peice. Years ago I spent a summer >>>>>> volunteering at old civil war fort.. found a bottle while making a >>>>>> bridge.. was going to keep it until I found it was a herbarium specimen >>>>>> of >>>>>> a coral snake. Turned it in then everything became really interesting >>>>>> as >>>>>> the archeology department of the state Georgia showed up.. turned out >>>>>> the >>>>>> moat was cleaned 5 years before the civil war. The interest turned to >>>>>> who >>>>>> had the knowledge to make such a specimen. . (Never did find out) >>>>>> They showed me a side of the civil war i never had heard of >>>>>> before.. said the emancipation proclaimation was to prevent slaves >>>>>> from >>>>>> being forced to fight against the union forces. It also freed the irish >>>>>> slave England had sold in America. >>>>>> Slavery still exists today world wide it is part of the hidden >>>>>> underbelly of society. . All societies. . >>>>>> When you sort out the justification babble there are not many >>>>>> guidelines. . What I read was someone trying to rewrite history.. as >>>>>> you >>>>>> look through history what I keep seeing people trying to control others >>>>>> by >>>>>> any means. Oftentimes the strangest propaganda is given. >>>>>> The author of the piece sounds like he is English as it appears the >>>>>> English leadership is empire orientated . Why is this person trying to >>>>>> create a history I never heard before.. >>>>>> I think cuntocracy controlled by spin doctors is a good discription >>>>>> .. a few people will actually see the truth and learn to walk a >>>>>> different >>>>>> path.. >>>>>> >>>>>> Can this reality be a testing ground seeing how the soul responds.. >>>>>> if that is true it make for one ¿mean? test. Especially when there is >>>>>> no >>>>>> fail grade just the determination of your future reality. . >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 3:17 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Propaganda >>>>>> >>>>>> I suppose a lot depends on how far it has all gone Allan. I think >>>>>> we've been had to such a degree that rational discussion is not possible >>>>>> for most people. I don't even believe we know the reasons for such as >>>>>> our >>>>>> 'civil wars' and WW1 & WW2. This view on Lincoln is a classic of the >>>>>> 'we >>>>>> get history upside down' brigade I tend to agree with - >>>>>> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-13/paul-craig- >>>>>> roberts-america-will-be-hard-pressed-survive-lies-it-lives >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, April 13, 2015 at 6:48:30 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Modern beliefs >>>>>>> Words spinning free >>>>>>> Concepts >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ideas twisted >>>>>>> Bent to fit desires >>>>>>> Spiritually >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Propaganda >>>>>>> Flowing unabated daily >>>>>>> Spin doctors rule >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Confused beliefs >>>>>>> Dictating life conditions >>>>>>> With God >>>>>>> >>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 4:49 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Propaganda >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I once thought we could wander about under a shield of innocence >>>>>>> Allan - and perhaps one can personally. The problem seems to be that >>>>>>> when >>>>>>> one looks around, everyone else is infected. Some of us have started >>>>>>> calling the current state of affairs a "cuntocracy" - >>>>>>> https://pinkindustry.wordpress.com/sociology/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I tend to think very few of us are actually economically active >>>>>>> directly and are already reclusive in bullshit jobs and retirement - >>>>>>> even >>>>>>> if we still look after our kids and put what seems a full week in. I >>>>>>> think >>>>>>> education may have been so bad that most people might struggle to fill >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> couple of sides of A4 on memories of it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, April 13, 2015 at 3:08:21 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When it comes to praganda nothing surprises me. It seem we live in >>>>>>>> world totally manipulated by propaganda that is in total control or >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> least tries to control our reality. . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My questions lie along the line of how does one escape such >>>>>>>> intense propaganda. . Become isolated recluses? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 3:34 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Propaganda >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We like to think we can do rational discussion, yet there is now so >>>>>>>> much propaganda in our society it is hard to believe many of us are >>>>>>>> remotely prepared to argue with facts. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.sprword.com/videos/psywar/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The situation is much worse than even this over-long video manages >>>>>>>> to put over. Most entertainment drips with ideology and is made by >>>>>>>> remarkably few people. I meet Americans who think propaganda critique >>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>> this is aimed at them. I would rather say that, if there are 174 >>>>>>>> countries, there are 174 different versions of the propaganda. >>>>>>>> Leadership >>>>>>>> tells the same lies everywhere, adjusting only the heroes and victims. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One area that has been interesting me is the extent of propaganda >>>>>>>> in the dire news and entertainment made available to us. Why are >>>>>>>> series >>>>>>>> from Bonanza to NCIS so bad? How do we end up with so many pro-police >>>>>>>> series given the weight of real incompetence and miscarriages of >>>>>>>> justice? >>>>>>>> How can lawyers ever be presented other than as vile, fee-sucking >>>>>>>> parasites >>>>>>>> in a system in which justice is a rare fluke? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The name 'Bellissario' is in the credits of Magnum PI and NCIS. >>>>>>>> This and a very few others are involved in making much of our >>>>>>>> entertainment, totally lacking in critical edge. The same wooden >>>>>>>> actors >>>>>>>> seem to dominate everything too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In the UK, half our journalists come from public schools (ie very >>>>>>>> high cost private schools) when only 7% of kids go to these bastions >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> privilege. In the UK, it has taken a quarter of a century to bring >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> truth about deaths at a soccer match to light (Hillsborough) - what >>>>>>>> chance >>>>>>>> then of the truth about wars and economics in such a secrecy-prone >>>>>>>> society? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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