Your clear ethical and moral foundation is fine Allan. Mine might be half-good. But most people think they have such a foundation. So no answers there I suspect.
Across anthropology we find people with clear ethical and moral foundations based on absolute crap. And people are firmly Xtian one day, firmly Muslim the next - women convert easier which may be because they don't have to go through adult circumcision. So what were the form beliefs really? They say the brave man dies only once, the coward a hundred times - yet dying ain't a good move in competitive evolution. Altruism and heroism should die out, yet in fact, even celibacy runs in families! The propaganda can seem political - yet it is surely in deeper than that. People believe they can spot the bad guy and can make sensible decisions when they are very ignorant of facts and how to get them. I'm sure I'm right on this and that the implications for rational dialogue are that it is more or less excluded from our public domain. You and I don't need to 'do rational' with each other Allan - though I suppose we lapse to it from time to time. I suspect some of the young fogey Americans who used to grace these pages will be amazed at what they said a few years back after the next crash. They generally think they are rational, though I saw no sign of that. Don always struck me as the most consistent and honest. The mistake may be our insistence on 'being rational' - when we mean don't be nasty all the time, don't swear and other stuff. We are way too dumb to distinguish rationality from convention. I've been wondering why the propaganda is all so bad - stuff like the TV Westerns, the soaps and on to NCIS and nearly all films are truly dreadful in standard. Something like this has been happening across education - we've been calling this dumbing down but I suspect coercion. Be good to be able to do something, other than just die thinking we missed the worst! On Tuesday, 14 April 2015 15:22:55 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: > > I agree there are deeper mechanism of propaganda than anyone realises. In > our world it is so prevelant that it goes unnoticed .. everything from the > blatant to the subliminal. 40 years ago the amount of information > available was truly amazing. . Today the information available makes > intelligence of forty years ago look like a starvation diet. The saving > grace is i think the ability to interpret it lacks the connection to > understand as intelligence is becoming dependent on computers. > By the same idea propaganda is much more controlled. Psychology is playing > a much greater roll as it has a much greater understanding of human > response. With that greater knowledge of human psychology the ability to > apply this psychology in the form of extremely effective propaganda. . Over > here there is a new republican declared candidate that needs watching.. > he has a team in the background running full blown propaganda network > guiding him through the maze.. and they know what they are doing.. he is > dangerous as I know little about him.. the keywords are there and in > place. Very scary.. > > Now the only way I see to escape the constant manipulation and control > lies in a clear moral and ethical foundation. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: archytas <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 12:05 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Propaganda > > My guess is deeper mechanisms than we know have been at work in keeping us > ignorant and probably have a big role in making us sick. Not sure what you > mean by herbarium here - tends to have me thinking of plants. > > Going to make myself a cup of tea. Weather colder than promised and am > waiting for the sun to break through before taking the hounds on a > riverbank rampage. Might do a bacon roll too. Or crawl back into bed. > It's not really cold - but we were promised decent sunshine and I'm > disappointed. Tea will bring me round. > > Propaganda critique usually winds up as a kind of propaganda itself, often > going too far. We need some spirit to break loose, but the usual one so > far has been fascism. This relies on most people being switched off from > thinking. They need that coral snake applied to ass! > > On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 10:14:43 AM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> That was interesting article or peice. Years ago I spent a summer >> volunteering at old civil war fort.. found a bottle while making a >> bridge.. was going to keep it until I found it was a herbarium specimen of >> a coral snake. Turned it in then everything became really interesting as >> the archeology department of the state Georgia showed up.. turned out the >> moat was cleaned 5 years before the civil war. The interest turned to who >> had the knowledge to make such a specimen. . (Never did find out) >> They showed me a side of the civil war i never had heard of before.. >> said the emancipation proclaimation was to prevent slaves from being forced >> to fight against the union forces. It also freed the irish slave England >> had sold in America. >> Slavery still exists today world wide it is part of the hidden >> underbelly of society. . All societies. . >> When you sort out the justification babble there are not many guidelines. >> . What I read was someone trying to rewrite history.. as you look through >> history what I keep seeing people trying to control others by any means. >> Oftentimes the strangest propaganda is given. >> The author of the piece sounds like he is English as it appears the >> English leadership is empire orientated . Why is this person trying to >> create a history I never heard before.. >> I think cuntocracy controlled by spin doctors is a good discription .. >> a few people will actually see the truth and learn to walk a different >> path.. >> >> Can this reality be a testing ground seeing how the soul responds.. if >> that is true it make for one ¿mean? test. Especially when there is no fail >> grade just the determination of your future reality. . >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: archytas <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 3:17 AM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Propaganda >> >> I suppose a lot depends on how far it has all gone Allan. I think we've >> been had to such a degree that rational discussion is not possible for most >> people. I don't even believe we know the reasons for such as our 'civil >> wars' and WW1 & WW2. This view on Lincoln is a classic of the 'we get >> history upside down' brigade I tend to agree with - >> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-13/paul-craig-roberts-america-will-be-hard-pressed-survive-lies-it-lives >> >> On Monday, April 13, 2015 at 6:48:30 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> Modern beliefs >>> Words spinning free >>> Concepts >>> >>> Ideas twisted >>> Bent to fit desires >>> Spiritually >>> >>> Propaganda >>> Flowing unabated daily >>> Spin doctors rule >>> >>> Confused beliefs >>> Dictating life conditions >>> With God >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 4:49 PM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Propaganda >>> >>> I once thought we could wander about under a shield of innocence Allan - >>> and perhaps one can personally. The problem seems to be that when one >>> looks around, everyone else is infected. Some of us have started calling >>> the current state of affairs a "cuntocracy" - >>> https://pinkindustry.wordpress.com/sociology/ >>> >>> I tend to think very few of us are actually economically active directly >>> and are already reclusive in bullshit jobs and retirement - even if we >>> still look after our kids and put what seems a full week in. I think >>> education may have been so bad that most people might struggle to fill a >>> couple of sides of A4 on memories of it. >>> >>> On Monday, April 13, 2015 at 3:08:21 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> When it comes to praganda nothing surprises me. It seem we live in >>>> world totally manipulated by propaganda that is in total control or at >>>> least tries to control our reality. . >>>> >>>> My questions lie along the line of how does one escape such intense >>>> propaganda. . Become isolated recluses? >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 3:34 PM >>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Propaganda >>>> >>>> We like to think we can do rational discussion, yet there is now so >>>> much propaganda in our society it is hard to believe many of us are >>>> remotely prepared to argue with facts. >>>> >>>> http://www.sprword.com/videos/psywar/ >>>> >>>> The situation is much worse than even this over-long video manages to >>>> put over. Most entertainment drips with ideology and is made by >>>> remarkably >>>> few people. I meet Americans who think propaganda critique like this is >>>> aimed at them. I would rather say that, if there are 174 countries, there >>>> are 174 different versions of the propaganda. Leadership tells the same >>>> lies everywhere, adjusting only the heroes and victims. >>>> >>>> One area that has been interesting me is the extent of propaganda in >>>> the dire news and entertainment made available to us. Why are series from >>>> Bonanza to NCIS so bad? How do we end up with so many pro-police series >>>> given the weight of real incompetence and miscarriages of justice? How >>>> can >>>> lawyers ever be presented other than as vile, fee-sucking parasites in a >>>> system in which justice is a rare fluke? >>>> >>>> The name 'Bellissario' is in the credits of Magnum PI and NCIS. This >>>> and a very few others are involved in making much of our entertainment, >>>> totally lacking in critical edge. The same wooden actors seem to dominate >>>> everything too. >>>> >>>> In the UK, half our journalists come from public schools (ie very high >>>> cost private schools) when only 7% of kids go to these bastions of >>>> privilege. In the UK, it has taken a quarter of a century to bring the >>>> truth about deaths at a soccer match to light (Hillsborough) - what chance >>>> then of the truth about wars and economics in such a secrecy-prone society? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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