Hear ye . Hear ye.

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

-----Original Message-----
From: Molly <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time



I`ve been seeker and I still am, but I stopped asking books and the stars. 
I started to listening to the teaching of my soul.

~ Rumi

On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 10:06:56 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
>
> Allan's brief mention of time, before scuttling back into his soul-shell, 
> might have something in it.  There is only so much time one can lend to 
> various ventures.  I have developed an interest in the more honest 
> creatures of this earth and find it easy to put time in there.  I have been 
> led (I hope led) to a view that human society is severely disabled and has 
> little in it I would choose.
>
> "Scientology" is both a criminal organisation (an interesting in that we 
> struggle to treat it as such) and a glaring example of wider, crude 
> religious practices everywhere.  I fancy what most people have assumed to 
> be rationality over the years is, in fact, something similarly crude and 
> more of medieval time than anything modern.
>
> We should upsticks Molly.
>
> On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 12:13:45 AM UTC+1, Molly wrote:
>>
>> Scientology is one of those deadly Kool Aid cults with an enormous amount 
>> of money behind the effort. It took a small bit of Hermetic philosophy, as 
>> old as written history, added methods of control and brainwashing, threw in 
>> shunning and voila, you have something worth grabbing your children and 
>> your assets and running at least a thousand miles to get away from (Katie 
>> Holmes.
>> Having its roots in Hermetic philosophy legitimizes it to its 
>> constituents because these same concepts have been echoed throughout the 
>> ages.
>>
>> Not sure where you stand on the concept of soul, Neil. My biggest worry 
>> for this group is that it is wobbling on a failing platform that leaves it 
>> open to wackos and trolls. this makes it hard for a small group dialogue to 
>> survive. Maybe it is too boring without a bundle of alters of one deeply 
>> disturbed person constantly arguing with themselves.
>>
>> On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 4:07:54 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
>>>
>>> It's not really surprising time in this group has been so medieval. 
>>>  Rationality has been conflated with morality, thinking with spirituality 
>>> (very Descartes) and legitimation with the supernatural.  Some of the 
>>> action hasn't been that distanced from Scientology.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 4:29:21 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Love always creats a special bond between souls.. you an I both know 
>>>> souls are eternal she is doing what she needs. All I can say is for her to 
>>>> follow her soul.. the soul can find the path if given a chance. 
>>>>
>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]>
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Sent: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 4:54 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time
>>>>
>>>> I have a dear friend whose husband languishes in the hospital right now 
>>>> in his last days on earth. She holds his hand and wonders, as we all do 
>>>> during times like these, about the "time" we are given in this life with 
>>>> those we love. Sometimes, it seems to be cut too short and I have to 
>>>> wonder 
>>>> if this isn't the workings of soul, as we are connected there eternally to 
>>>> those we love most.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 6:32:05 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Love watching the sun rise.. sailing creates strange perspectives.
>>>>>
>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]>
>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>> Sent: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 12:15 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time
>>>>>
>>>>> When I stop watching the clock, sunrise and sunset still give a pace 
>>>>> of time to my day. The seasons give a broader pace. We age in time. We 
>>>>> measure change with time.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 2:35:15 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Back in my younger days the book that gave the value of cars was 
>>>>>> actually  blue.  Hence the name..
>>>>>> See Tony even I  can take leaps forward into reality..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> lol. (",)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>> Sent: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 8:25 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds really deep Tony - maybe we should leave it buried?  Reality 
>>>>>> has taken a leap forward with Allan recognising a book plug as a book 
>>>>>> plug. 
>>>>>>  Soon he will be able to tell us a blue book is blue (which it isn't).  
>>>>>> We 
>>>>>> don't know there is a reality.  There is a reality hypothesis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Get real people!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 5:33:19 PM UTC+1, facilitator wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time is an abstraction, a non quantifiable human invention used for 
>>>>>>> measurement.  Said more simply, it is not the substance but the flask. 
>>>>>>> Outside of human conjecture time does not exist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 12:25:25 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did watch the movie. Interesting  reminded me of a book 
>>>>>>>> promotion. . And we actually have heard the same logic from RP using a 
>>>>>>>> Hindu God.. did not agree with that argument  either.
>>>>>>>> In the end there was a promotion for his book. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He gets into a lot of Einstein concepts on time..  listening  to 
>>>>>>>> him and the other program. Time is evasive and a matter of 
>>>>>>>> perspective. A 
>>>>>>>> perspective unique to each person. . The one thing apparently physics  
>>>>>>>> can 
>>>>>>>> not prove is the exsistance if time. .  Unlike the conclusions people 
>>>>>>>> these 
>>>>>>>> people want to jump to..
>>>>>>>> It would seem  to me that all our souls are responsible  for is the 
>>>>>>>> perspective known by the unique soul inside the reality of non-time 
>>>>>>>> ¿known? 
>>>>>>>> to exist within the reality of time..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which gets back to the original  question just what the heck is 
>>>>>>>> time?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 10:47 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Time
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This was in my mailbox (interestingly enough)
>>>>>>>>  https://youtu.be/H1WfFkp4puw <https://youtu.be/H1WfFkp4puw>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 4:03:34 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just what the heck is time. I always thouhght of it as a 
>>>>>>>>> constant.. only to find it is a veriable .. unlike other veriables..
>>>>>>>>> Just what the heck is ¿Time?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
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