Hi Dmitrij, On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 11:07:14AM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: >> OK, I deleted 4.9 and installed 4.8. I saved the console messages and >> started and started the gdm, avahi, and dbus daemon as instructed. No >> joy. > > Could You please be a bit more precise? My apologies. I'll try and clear things up now (for grandma!).
I fell back to 4.8 because Tom stated something to the effect that Gnome was not yet [fully] ported (forgive my misquotes). This made some sense to me since I did see a few messages related to outdated binaries on 4.9 when running `startx` from a teminal. I presumed the developers knew about it, and it was OK with them (otherwise, it would have been fixed). > Which instructions did You follow - those unofficial instructions on some > website about OpenBSD 4.7 or the official README that is cited in the > install-message at installation time? I followed the instructions from http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/ports/x11/gnome/session/pkg/README?rev=1.13;content-type=text%2Fplain. Actually, I missed gnome-audio and gnome-power-manager was not found: # pkg_add eog \ file-roller \ gdm \ gedit \ gnome-applets2 \ gnome-audio \ gnome-backgrounds \ gnome-control-center \ gnome-keyring \ gnome-media \ gnome-panel \ gnome-power-manager \ gnome-screensaver \ gnome-terminal \ gnome-themes \ gnome-utils After the list of 'primary' packages was installed, I then executed: # pkg_add gnome-session \ gnome-desktop \ nautilus-open-terminal While installing the 'primary' packages (eog, ...,gnome-utils), I did so in an XTERM so I was able to scroll through messages. Despite my sincerest efforts to install the 'primary' packages, I still had to add the following to rc.local per the terminal messages: if [ -x /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon ]; then install -d -o _dbus -g _dbus /var/run/dbus echo -n ' dbus'; /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon --system fi if [ -x /usr/local/sbin/gdm ]; then echo -n ' gdm'; (sleep 5; /usr/local/sbin/gdm)& fi if [ -x /usr/local/sbin/avahi-daemon ]; then echo -n ' avahi-daemon'; /usr/local/sbin/avahi-daemon -D fi For what its worth, nautilus-open-terminal *should* be listed in the 'primary' list. > What does the phrase "No joy" mean? My bad. It is slang for 'not successful'. I appreciate the help, so I don't want to use terms like 'failed' and 'broken'. > You've got some errors? You've got no > error but no GNOME? You didn't like the default color theme? You were > depressed and decided not to go ahead? I think it was approaching the latter :) > I used to install GNOME on OpenBSD 4.9. It is 100% straight forward exactly as > written in a README file that is referenced in the install message. OK. This raises my suspicions (please don't take offense). I tried following the instructions from the provided link on both 4.8 and 4.9. I was not successful. > And I am > planning to instruct my grandmother to install OpenBSD 5.0 with GNOME. Perhaps you should be at your gandmom's house when the migration occurs. > You please share You experience in some more detail? OK. For me, its all about 'dumb users' and 'reasonable expectations'. I'm a dumb user, and I think my expectations are reasonable. I think the documentation is lacking and the process is too involved. I personally found Christian's link of http://www.gabsoftware.com/tips/tutorial-install-gnome-desktop-and-gnome-display-manager-on-openbsd-4-8/ much more helpful. At minimum, it had pictures which are always easy to follow. I cannot explain why I got a 2 year old document as a top hit when searching for 'OpenBSD install gnome' (perhaps SEO?). And I cannot explain why the official OpenBSD document was not predominantly listed in the Google'd results. Nor can I explain why neither the README nor the INSTALL mention anything gnome or its installation document. In practice, after following the official OpenBSD instructions, GDM would start (ie, a 'gnome login screen') but I would get XTERM when I logged in. Christian's instructions seems to have taken me a little further, but I had to add to rc.conf.local: # cat /etc/rc.conf.local ... xdm_flags=NO gnome_enable=YES gdm_enable=YES# In addition, I still needed to select Session -> gnome.desktop despite the fact that gnome.desktop was listed as the default. My feelings: since I wanted to install the gnome desktop manager, why is there not a single package that includes gdm, gnome-desktop, and gnome-session which *also* includes the modifications to rc.local and rc.conf.local? I think its a very reasonable expectation when installing the manager. Since I was installing gnome and gnome-session, why were the changes not made to rc.local and rc.conf.local with a message telling the user how to turn it off? I think its a very reasonable behavior when installing the manager. Remember - dumb users (like me) just want it to work. Jeff
