On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 12:49:20 -0500
Edgar Pettijohn <ed...@pettijohn-web.com> wrote:

> On 08/23/15 12:40, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> >> something like this would probably do it, but would be undone
> >> anytime you update
> or at least I think it will be undone, but maybe not I don't have any 
> experience with making changes to it.
> >>
> >> --- /etc/rc     Sat Aug 22 03:06:56 2015
> >> +++ /etc/rc.new Sun Aug 23 12:27:53 2015
> >> @@ -371,7 +371,7 @@
> >>    make_keys
> >>
> >>    echo -n 'starting early daemons:'
> >> -start_daemon syslogd ldattach pflogd nsd unbound ntpd
> >> +start_daemon syslogd ldattach pflogd isc_named ntpd
> >>    start_daemon iscsid isakmpd iked sasyncd ldapd npppd
> >>    echo '.'
> >>
> probably have to add something to /etc/rc.conf.local like 
> isc_named_flags=YES

Thanks for taking the time. FYI the 2 changes, above, did not work it
still fails starting. I shall look into moving to the other 2 when I
get the time.

Thank you both.

> 
> >> On 08/23/15 12:00, George wrote:
> >>> Hi guys,
> >>>
> >>> I was wondering if someone might have a hint on how to start
> >>> isc_name (on 5.7) earlier than network services like DHCP and
> >>> NFS. This was OK for me on 5.6 when it was in base but now I have
> >>> issues as my configs are tied to DNS services on the local
> >>> machine.
> >>>
> >>> I read a bit and fiddled with the rc code, getting failures
> >>> there, ... I am maybe not looking in the right place??
> > Or don't use ISC BIND.  Start your migrationg towards unbound / nsd,
> > which are the new, safer toolkit for DNS.
> >
> > In my opinion, ISC BIND falls soundly into this catagory:
> >
> >      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsafe_at_Any_Speed
> As a former corvair owner I guarantee it was perfectly safe while
> parked.
> 
> > "general reluctance to spend money on improving safety"
> >
> > Except in this case, it is not the "manufacturers", but the drivers
> > failing to spend "time" catching up.
> >
> > There is a general reluctance by many system administrators to
> >      (a) comprehend that two decades of research has demonstrated
> > the unsoundness of resource record caching when doing
> >          mixed authoritative + recursive
> >      (b) because it can do do mixed mode, in practice BIND
> > encourages doing so
> >      (c) in part, NSD and unbound were written to stop that practice
> >      (d) Some of you are sticks in the mud, and deserve to get hurt.

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