On Tue, 23 May 2006 18:18:06 -0700 Wakefield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Adam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spewed: > > > > > Again, speaking from my experience Ruby on Rails is more productive than > > > Catalist or Django, but that depends on your application and skills. > > > > If you already know ruby, sure you will be faster in rails. If you > > know more than one of the languages in question, or none of them, then > > rails is not faster at all. > > So you agree? Regardless, you certainly seem to be a master of tautologies. Agree with what? Try reading it again. Rails will make you more productive if you happen to know ruby, and not python or perl. But if you know more than one, then you will be just as productive in any of the frameworks in those languages. If you don't know ruby, but do know perl, you will be more productive in catalyst or maypole. The point being, rails is not an advantage of using ruby, as there is a rails like framework in the other languages being considered too. > > But it will help other people see that rails is not magical, or special, > > or even particularly good. > > Right -- Rails is not even good. Bias much? Read it again. "particularly good". As in, it is no better than all the other frameworks that do the same thing. Yes, I am biased towards learning about all of the options, instead of pretending one of them is better than the rest, when the only measurable factor shows its not. What kind of bias makes people say things like "ruby is not slow" even when presented with benchmarks, and the author of ruby saying its slow too? > > Pretending rails is the second coming of christ does not help anyone. > > Of course... it's much preferable to pretend Rails is a strawman with > Satan rammed up his asshole. May I recommend you remove your > manure-colored glasses and look at tools like this for what they > are... tools. If it makes you productive, great. If you're more > productive in another tool, great. May I recommend that you read first, and blindly defend someone else's work second? What have you invested in rails that makes you unable to even see that all I said was "all the other frameworks are just as good", and think I said "rails sux0rz"? Read my comment, it was "Uh, there's MVC frameworks in pretty much every language. Ruby is incredibly slow, and lacks internationalization support." If that is enough to make you go into a rabid frenzy defending rails, then you might want to think about why. Adam
