Thanks for all the feedback!
I could not figure out how to reply to single message in a mixxx-devel tread,
so one big reply:-)
@Garth
I understand the mess with the different Taskbars, app window taskbars and
window boarders on the different OS`.
Mixxx should be full viewable even if not in fullscreen mode imho.
So can we nail the default skin dimension for the different screen resolution
please?
Would be very helpful for taking on new skins / making templates.
Screen 1024×600 (Netbook) = Skin x
Screen 1024×768 (XGA - standard) = Skin x
Screen 1280×800 (WXGA - wide) = Skin x
Screen 1440×900 (WXGA+ - wide) = Skin x
Screen 1280×1024 (SXGA - standard) = Skin x
Screen 1400×1050 (SXGA+ - standard) = Skin x
Screen 1680×1050 (WSXGA+ - wide) = Skin x
Screen 1600×1200 (UXGA - standard) = Skin x
Screen 1920×1200 (WUXGA - wide) = Skin x
The transparent background of the library panel space is a great idea.
@Albert
The major brands put their logo in the skins for a reason. Also you make an
advert from every screenshot. Mixxx should do so imho.
Skins have to be in compliance with GPL when distributed with Mixxx?
Since you talking about evil profiteers ( i.e rebranding ebay seller ) i assume
you see them as a problem.
What about http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/us/ for skins?
Although removing a logo remains not a hard task it would make selling a
rebrand costlier and agains the license terms.
- PFL : Since tooltips are on by default, is this really a problem with PFL
button and a good description? People will ask anyway.
I`ll see how a headphone icon look like on the button.
- Knob: Yep i`ve attached the wrong image.
How many states need a rotary button (i.e. Master volume )? Outline skin has 40
, LateNight currently 27 ( 270 degree rotation).
@Yves
There is currently a SXGA skin in the making , need a bigger one then XGA for
myself.
Some feedback for devs on making skins with the current code in trunk:
Working with text is difficult
* Text renders different in Mac/Win/Lin (i.e. Fondsize 18 is big in
WIN/LIN but much smaller in Mac )
* some Fondsizes are hardcoded and not alterable ( i.e the <Text> key =
Track information display )
* The <Text> key (Track information display) should not have (at least
as option) artistname & trackname tied together. Better make separate keys for
artistname & trackname.
Buttons
* Sync button should permanent lit when sync track is active
* Loop button should permanent lit when loop is active
* Pitch Reset button is missing (works currently only via shortcut?)
Background colors
* What are the background colors on <Visual> ( Waveform display) and
<Overview> (Waveform overview) good for? Let the skin`s background handle
that, may also save CPU power.
* Same for all the text`background colors.
Markers for loops & cues
* If the skin is using a pixmap for a custom marker( a feature i really
like) , the default marker are shown beneath. Better don`t show them at all.
A long read, thanks for your time.
jus
On 13 Jan 2010, at 21:47, Garth Dahlstrom wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Sorry for the late reply.
>
> outlineMini was created for the original eeePC 701 (800x480), I would say
> this skin could be dropped... despite my best efforts I was never able to
> get Mixxx to run satisfactory on this eeePC 701's 900Mhz processor. I
> would say that this skin could be dropped given the unfeasibility of this
> platform.
>
> outlineNetbook was created for Atom based netbooks which tend to have 9" or
> 10" displays with a typical resolution of 1024x600...
>
> The outlineNetbook skin itself is 1000×550, the size was not determined by
> the height of taskbars though I did try it out on Windows XP and Gnome (Gnome
> has the bar at the top, the bar at the bottom, and the app window has a menu
> within it).
>
> My original thinking was to leave a little room for around the edge that
> someone could have a file manager window in the background that they could
> use the to drag files in when Mixxx was not in fullscreen (1024 - 4 x 2 for
> the WM sides leaves about 16 px to click to next window)... Though with the
> improvements to the library, that reasoning may be obsolete and the skin
> could expand to use that space. Since I have a Win7 VM running for some work
> stuff, I snagged a couple of screens so you can get an idea of the space its
> using for borders, title bars and taskbars... maximized and non-maximized
> windows.
>
> WRT the logo, if a faded logo (faint enough that it doesn't distract too much
> from reading song info) could be incorporated in the background of the
> library panel space (on scene.png), I think that might look classy...
> however it might require making the qtablewidget background transparent
> through a code change, if its not already.
>
> Skin looks sweet, btw.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -G
>
> <Win7 maximized.png> <Win7 non-maximized.png>
>
> On 2010-01-10, at 4:15 PM, jus wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> * Without Mixxx logo? Thought is would help in brand recognition.
>> * The PFL thing. There was a change from a headphone to PFL based on user
>> feedback (Mixxx forum). PFL is IMHO fairly common ( Vestax hardware, Virtual
>> DJ).
>> * Sliders: I like it , but could be changed easily .
>> * Knob: The smaller red part should help to distinguish between up and down
>> (see attached file).
>>
>> <rotary.png>
>>
>> * Resolution : 1024x570 ist the lowest possible resolution for this layout (
>> without major redesign). More height is no problem.
>>
>> Any infos on my questions regarding Color,DisabledColor,cue_point?
>>
>> On 10 Jan 2010, at 20:43, Albert Santoni wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jus,
>>>
>>> I think the skin looks great overall, maybe we can include this in 1.8
>>> after some discussion.
>>>
>>> I'll briefly summarize my thoughts below:
>>>
>>> - Don't put the Mixxx logo in your skin, because it saves us changing your
>>> skin if we update our logo.
>>>
>>> - IMO the knobs could use more "direction". At first glance, it wasn't 100%
>>> obvious to me that the red side was the tick mark on the knob.
>>>
>>> - The drop shadows on the sliders looks weird to me. They're the only
>>> element of your skin that has depth, and they look like they're "floating".
>>> (This is hugely subjective and I'm nitpicking now, so feel free to ignore
>>> this unless someone has a suggestion on how to improve the 3D look of them.)
>>>
>>> - PFL isn't a n00b friendly acronym.... Do you think we can throw a little
>>> cartoon image of headphones on the PFL buttons instead of that text? The
>>> outline skin has "HEADPHONE" on that button, but that won't work within
>>> your size constraints.
>>>
>>> - I'm not sure a 1024x570 resolution is a good idea. The resolution of the
>>> outlineNetbook skin was chosen specifically so that Mixxx's UI fit on a
>>> first-generation Asus Eee PC, which is the netbook with the lowest
>>> resolution. Your skin will not fit on first generation netbooks. I'm
>>> guessing the netbook resolution you targeted with your skin is 1024 x 600,
>>> but that also raises the question about that arbitrary 30 pixels that you
>>> subtracted. What's the default height of the taskbar in Windows XP, Vista,
>>> and 7? What about the GNOME panel? KDE panel? It's tough to make a skin
>>> that cuts it close...
>>> (Garth, correct me if I'm wrong about this skin dimensions stuff...)
>>>
>>> Aside from these issues, I think your skin looks great. It's got a very
>>> distinct visual style and a nice colour palette. The buttons and layout are
>>> clear and the skin has fairly high contrast, which means it'll be nice to
>>> look at in the dark. :)
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Albert
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 5:16 AM, jus <j...@justmail.de> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> i would love to hear what you think.
>>>
>>> Some remarks on the screenshot:
>>> * The colors for the Loop overlay are same on both channels,
>>> The loop on Channel 1 is on , the one on Channel 2 is off.
>>> * The Loop button does currently not reflect its toggle state,
>>> is in the making https://bugs.launchpad.net/mixxx/+bug/438817
>>> * Where to put the Mixxx logo?
>>>
>>> Some questions for dev:
>>> * Is there a way to display <Color> and <DisabledColor> in waveform
>>> overview
>>> so the loop overlay appear same as in the waveform?
>>> * Is there a way to display <cue_point> in waveform overview?
>>>
>>> Changelog v0.80b (09 January 2010)
>>>
>>> New
>>> - In,Out & Loop buttons for looping function
>>> - Color marker for cue points & loop points
>>> - Color overlay for loops in waveform
>>>
>>> Changed
>>> - Size is now 1024x570 to fit Netbook`s resolution even when not in
>>> Fullscreen mode
>>> - simple background color in Library view instead alternating colors to
>>> make it less annoying on the eyes
>>> - small cosmetic changes
>>>
>>> <screenshot_mixxx_r2250_latenight_080b.png>
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