Hi Seemanta,
Thank you for coming back to this.
Do we have a Launchpad bug for your request? if not, file one.
I think it is best to discuss the required changes there, because it is
more sticky than this list.
Do you already have a plan how to fix your issue?
Please outline your plans at the bug report.
> What do you suggest on how to implement this feature?
I am still in favor of the track highlight feature.
An other Idea is a special view, that lines up AutoDj Tracks with the
current History
Kind regards,
Daniel
2015-03-30 11:07 GMT+02:00 Seemanta Dutta <seema...@gmail.com>:
> Hi folks,
> I am opening up this thread once again! I am trying to implement a feature
> wherein the AutoDJ list will be preserved and songs won't be knocked off
> from the list.
>
> The main reason for doing this is because of my use case. I am a Tango DJ
> (not a DJ in the traditional sense where songs are beatmatched and mixed).
> What that means is that I need to be able to play tango songs, one after
> the other AND also have the ability to preview songs from my library and
> then add to the autoDJ list on the fly. I have written in detail about my
> use case in my original email. Knocking off songs from the list makes it
> very hard for me to know where I am in relation to my list of songs.
>
> I totally understand this might not be what mixxx was created with in
> mind. But because this is open source software, I think this is a perfect
> opportunity for me to leverage that fact. I can't do this with iTunes or
> winamp or Amarok because they all lack preview feature.
>
> I was looking at the AutoDJ code and trying to make sense of it. It would
> be nice if I can get some support from the mixxx developers.
> What do you suggest on how to implement this feature?
>
> Thanks,
> Seemanta
>
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Seemanta Dutta <seema...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> True!
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Owen Williams <owilli...@mixxx.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As with everything in software, what seems simple often is very much
>>> not :)
>>>
>>> On Fri, 2014-09-26 at 16:10 -0700, Seemanta Dutta wrote:
>>> > Good idea, I thought of that. Call me lazy or a slob, but I refuse to
>>> > do any sort of mental gymnastics during a dance.
>>> > I want the software to take care of everything for me, which in this
>>> > case is a simple expectation of being able to play music off of a
>>> > playlist.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Yet this might be a stop gap solution until I can figure out a proper
>>> > solution to this problem.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Seemanta
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Owen Williams <owilli...@mixxx.org>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > One thing you might try is using the "requeue" feature, and
>>> > having a
>>> > special track that you always put at the start of your
>>> > playlist called
>>> > "---------------Playlist Top----------------". This could be
>>> > a simple
>>> > silent mp3 for instance. Then after dancing when you go back
>>> > to your
>>> > laptop, you can immediately see where the playlist top is and
>>> > know how
>>> > far into your set you are.
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, 2014-09-26 at 14:55 -0700, Seemanta Dutta wrote:
>>> > > CCing the list. Forgot to include the list by mistake in my
>>> > original
>>> > > response. Sorry!
>>> > >
>>> > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Seemanta Dutta
>>> > <seema...@gmail.com>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > > > But lets think about how we can support Seemanta
>>> > use-case.
>>> > > Thanks, I really appreciate the support!
>>> > >
>>> > > > If I got it right, the issue is that the Auto DJ
>>> > "playlist"
>>> > > is destroyed
>>> > > while playing.
>>> > > Why is this a problem? Is is a problem for the next
>>> > course, or
>>> > > already
>>> > > for the current course?
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > When I play Tango music, it follows a strict
>>> > pattern.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Here are some characteristics of DJing during a
>>> > Tango dance
>>> > > party:
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > - We play songs in sets of 3 or 4, called a 'Tanda'.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > - After each Tanda, we have a 'Cortina' which acts
>>> > as a
>>> > > separator to indicate the end the current Tanda and
>>> > beginning
>>> > > of the next. A Cortina is usually short, 30-40
>>> > seconds and it
>>> > > is music distinct from Tango (Jazz, Pop etc.) so
>>> > that dancers
>>> > > can know that it is not meant for dancing and is
>>> > only for them
>>> > > to either change partners or go back to sitting.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > - Tango music can be of three types :Tango (4/4 time
>>> > > signature), Vals (3/4 time signature) or Milonga
>>> > (2/4 time
>>> > > signature). DJs usually play: TTVcTTMcTTVcTTM...
>>> > > Here each capital letter represents a Tanda with 3
>>> > or 4 songs.
>>> > > The small 'c' represents a Cortina. So you get the
>>> > picture.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Hence, TTV means 2 tango tandas followed by a Vals
>>> > tanda. The
>>> > > 'c' means a Cortina. TTM, similarly means two Tango
>>> > tandas
>>> > > followed by a Milonga Tanda.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > And here is the problem I have with Mixxx when I try
>>> > to use it
>>> > > for DJing Tango:
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > I am also a Tango dancer. So when I DJ, I will
>>> > occasionally
>>> > > get off the DJ booth and dance with my friends. When
>>> > I come
>>> > > back to the DJ booth, I want my playlist to be
>>> > exactly as it
>>> > > was before so that I know where I stand with respect
>>> > to the
>>> > > songs. I should have a way to know whether I am in
>>> > the middle
>>> > > of my first or second Tango tanda. And within that
>>> > tanda if it
>>> > > is the first, second or third song. If the songs
>>> > keep getting
>>> > > knocked off, it becomes very difficult for me to
>>> > come back
>>> > > from dancing and remembering where I had left off.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > I realize the history feature can be used for this.
>>> > But
>>> > > honestly, during a gig, I would avoid doing all
>>> > mental
>>> > > arithmetic and gymnastics by looking at what's
>>> > playing on the
>>> > > two decks and then combine that list with the
>>> > history and form
>>> > > a single unified list in my mind. This becomes too
>>> > cumbersome
>>> > > during a live gig where I not only have to socialize
>>> > but also
>>> > > dance with people and give them good music to dance
>>> > too.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > I guess, by now you can see my dilemma. An AutoDJ
>>> > list that
>>> > > does not remove songs would be perfect for me.
>>> > Combined with
>>> > > the single click preview feature, that is all I need
>>> > from
>>> > > Mixxx really. Having AutoDJ remove songs makes it
>>> > confusing.
>>> > > The confusion is doubled with requeue enabled!
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Do you wish to repeat a a dance during one course?
>>> > > If you want to replay the set, you can just reload
>>> > the history
>>> > > to the
>>> > > Auto DJ.
>>> > > Maybe we need a feature to split the history without
>>> > > restarting Mixxx?
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > These are all possible solutions, I agree. But as I
>>> > said, the
>>> > > cleanest solution would be to have the playlist
>>> > preserve
>>> > > itself. I understand this might not be what the
>>> > maintainers
>>> > > would likely want in their master branch because
>>> > they have a
>>> > > pretty good idea what Mixxx should and should not
>>> > do. I have
>>> > > no issue with that. All I need is a way to write my
>>> > own code
>>> > > for Mixxx to do what I want it to do. This is the
>>> > spirit of
>>> > > open source, after all, isn't it?
>>> > >
>>> > > Or is the issue more like to allow tweaking a
>>> > playlist during
>>> > > playing?
>>> > > You can also just save the history as a new playlist
>>> > after the
>>> > > course.
>>> > > Doing it live in the original play-list like in
>>> > Clementine
>>> > > does not
>>> > > suite to Mixxx because it might destroy a well
>>> > prepared
>>> > > playlist because
>>> > > of individual events in a current gig.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Yes, I am aware of the history feature. But again,
>>> > it becomes
>>> > > too confusing to mentally combine what is in the
>>> > AutoDJ queue
>>> > > with what is playing in the decks with the history
>>> > queue to
>>> > > figure out where I am with respect to the playlist.
>>> > I want to
>>> > > be simply able to manipulate a playlist without
>>> > having to
>>> > > worry about losing it. I can later save it after my
>>> > gig and
>>> > > start with a clean playlist for my next gig. Really,
>>> > that's
>>> > > all I want.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > One idea is to implement a cursor that moves over a
>>> > Playlist
>>> > > and copies
>>> > > tracks to the AutoDJ queue. But that sounds hard to
>>> > implement
>>> > > and hard
>>> > > to use.
>>> > >
>>> > > Any ideas?
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Once I get past the problems of 1.12 and have a
>>> > working setup
>>> > > with 1.11 version of Mixxx, I would be happy to
>>> > contribute
>>> > > code. But getting a working 1.11 development
>>> > environment on
>>> > > the Mac is what I am struggling with right now.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Daniel Schürmann
>>> > > <dasch...@mixxx.org> wrote:
>>> > > Hi,
>>> > >
>>> > > The auto DJ is a waiting queue!
>>> > > Knocking of played tracks from the Auto DJ,
>>> > is the
>>> > > essence from the
>>> > > current implementation.
>>> > > It follows precisely the workflow of a CD or
>>> > Vinyl DJ
>>> > > and works well
>>> > > together with the History feature.
>>> > >
>>> > > I would strongly recommend to keep this
>>> > model, because
>>> > > it is highly
>>> > > predictable what will happen next.
>>> > >
>>> > > But lets think about how we can support
>>> > Seemanta
>>> > > use-case.
>>> > >
>>> > > If I got it right, the issue is that the
>>> > Auto DJ
>>> > > "playlist" is destroyed
>>> > > while playing.
>>> > > Why is this a problem? Is is a problem for
>>> > the next
>>> > > course, or already
>>> > > for the current course?
>>> > > Do you wish to repeat a a dance during one
>>> > course?
>>> > > If you want to replay the set, you can just
>>> > reload the
>>> > > history to the
>>> > > Auto DJ.
>>> > > Maybe we need a feature to split the history
>>> > without
>>> > > restarting Mixxx?
>>> > >
>>> > > Or is the issue more like to allow tweaking
>>> > a playlist
>>> > > during playing?
>>> > > You can also just save the history as a new
>>> > playlist
>>> > > after the course.
>>> > > Doing it live in the original play-list like
>>> > in
>>> > > Clementine does not
>>> > > suite to Mixxx because it might destroy a
>>> > well
>>> > > prepared playlist because
>>> > > of individual events in a current gig.
>>> > >
>>> > > One idea is to implement a cursor that moves
>>> > over a
>>> > > Playlist and copies
>>> > > tracks to the AutoDJ queue. But that sounds
>>> > hard to
>>> > > implement and hard
>>> > > to use.
>>> > >
>>> > > Any ideas?
>>> > >
>>> > > Thanks.
>>> > >
>>> > > Daniel
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Am 26.09.2014 21:23, schrieb Owen Williams:
>>> > > > Why do we remove tracks from the queue at
>>> > all?
>>> > > That's inconsistent with
>>> > > > crates and playlists (not to mention
>>> > winamp and
>>> > > itunes, right?). And
>>> > > > the requeue thing is even weirder, why
>>> > does that
>>> > > exist?
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Fri, 2014-09-26 at 12:07 -0700, Sean M.
>>> > > Pappalardo - D.J. Pegasus
>>> > > > wrote:
>>> > > >> Hello.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> On 09/26/2014 11:44 AM, Seemanta Dutta
>>> > wrote:
>>> > > >>> My requirements are very simple. I am
>>> > not a
>>> > > regular DJ in the sense that
>>> > > >>> I do not have to 'mix' tracks and do any
>>> > > beatmatching or cueing. My
>>> > > >>> music is mainly meant for dancing Tango
>>> > where
>>> > > songs play one after the
>>> > > >>> other in sequence, with 'break' songs
>>> > every 3 or 4
>>> > > songs where people
>>> > > >>> change partners or go back to sitting on
>>> > the side
>>> > > of the floor. The DJ
>>> > > >>> is still deeply involved durnig the
>>> > DJing process
>>> > > because he or she has
>>> > > >>> to observe the dancers for changes in
>>> > enerrgy and
>>> > > tweak the playlist
>>> > > >>> accordingly.
>>> > > >> Not to deter you from using Mixxx, but it
>>> > sounds
>>> > > like more traditional
>>> > > >> play-from-a-playlist applications would
>>> > better suit
>>> > > you, like
>>> > > >> Clementine, Amarok, WinAmp, etc. Have you
>>> > looked at
>>> > > those or am I
>>> > > >> misunderstanding your use case?
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> But to answer your questions:
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>> 1. A means to play songs off of a
>>> > playlist - this
>>> > > is something I need to
>>> > > >>> fix and is the reason for my email.
>>> > > >> It sounds like something isn't working
>>> > right
>>> > > because there shouldn't
>>> > > >> have been a regression between 1.11 and
>>> > 1.12.
>>> > > Please file a bug with
>>> > > >> more details so we can track it down.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>> So I want to ask the developers and RJ
>>> > if it will
>>> > > be too difficult to
>>> > > >>> implement a feature wherein songs won't
>>> > be knocked
>>> > > off the AutoDJ queue.
>>> > > >> That's certainly possible and I would
>>> > even say
>>> > > easy, since it would just
>>> > > >> be a matter of adding (yet another)
>>> > preference
>>> > > option tied to a small
>>> > > >> conditional code block in the play list
>>> > handler
>>> > > that simply skips the
>>> > > >> deletion or re-queuing. But I've never
>>> > worked on
>>> > > the playlist code myself.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> You should do the work against master
>>> > then submit a
>>> > > pull request in GIT.
>>> > > >> That way the feature can be added to a
>>> > future Mixxx
>>> > > version. (The 1.11
>>> > > >> code is quite old and much has changed
>>> > since then.)
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> Sincerely,
>>> > > >> Sean M. Pappalardo
>>> > > >> "D.J. Pegasus"
>>> > > >> Mixxx Developer - Controller Specialist
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>
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