Daniel/RAWRR are right -- the goal posts are moving slightly and we're scope creeping.
Active, trivial / low-risk PRs can merge if they are ready but shouldn't be blocking. For me, the final blocker is the manual and website / press material -- which we simply can't launch without. :) Best regards, RJ On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Ferran Pujol Camins < ferranpujolcam...@gmail.com> wrote: > From my point of view, marketing wise, we could consider 1.12 a modest > release. Because despite the huge amount of work there's behind it, every > review out there will essentially say "it is great and finally have FX, but > the built in FX are weak". > > So my modest opinion is the same that Daniel. > El dia 22/07/2015 12:16, <re-cy...@hushmail.com> va escriure: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> >> >> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:28:38 +0000 "Daniel Schürmann" >> <dasch...@mixxx.org> wrote: >> >Hi, >> > >> >We have to be careful to consider what is a release blocker. >> >Mixxx 1.12 beta is already so much better than 1.11 that it is not >> >worth to >> >block it at all from this point of view. >> > >> >Of cause we should try to fix all critical bugs before a release >> >date, but >> >in this stage I consider a >> >release blocker only a regression that prevents one from using >> >1.12. >> >>From this point of view only this one is a blocker: >> >* flaky broadcasting connections: LP 1277274 >> > >> >The other topics are its the over all quality issue. >> > >> >Everyone can already use 1.12 beta. What is the difference to a >> >1.12 >> >release? >> >IMHO it is all the shiny stuff that makes the difference from a >> >project to >> >a product. >> >It is marketing, design, manual, advertising texts, screen shots >> >and so on. >> >A product with good maketing/design is always considered as high >> >quality, >> >regardless >> >of the number of critical bugs. >> > >> >Unfortunately marketing experts are rare among our contributors. >> >Any Idea to change this? >> > >> >> Yeah. >> >> If the betas really are that close, arrive at a consensus regarding >> some reasonable candidate among these beta versions to designate as >> a release, publish it, and continue on behind the scenes >> developing, like you do. >> >> Mixxx is marketed really well already. If you are thinking >> representation to the public is unclear, consider that perception >> will be clarified when the download page has a "release", and >> further accentuated with the usual rounds of well-crafted press >> submissions to various DJ industry and tech sites and magazines >> (which one of you folks usually does that anyway?). >> >> It seems like everyone in development wants 1.12 to be a singular, >> glorious debut - but I think looking for that misses the mark. >> There is an actual glorious debut, but it was and is the momentum >> in productivity that fired up six months or so ago and will push >> all the way through 1.12 to the continuing evolution of the >> project, and a more modern style of development cycle. >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> Also my personal two cents about the roadmap (apologies if it is >> off-base): I think new feature sprawl might be happening? If so, I >> myself probably contributed to it. I know this observation won't be >> popular!! Everyone wants and loves new features. But I think many >> of the debates going on will be less exasperating and more >> manageable when there are fewer projects underway in general. >> Between 1.11 and 1.12, so much got piled on the plate!! Even as >> someone without responsibilities free to simply observe, I find it >> difficult to keep track of all the threads underway. >> >> ~RAWRR >> >> >Kind regards, >> > >> >Daniel >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >2015-07-22 7:55 GMT+02:00 Be <b...@gmx.com>: >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On 07/22/2015 12:00 AM, Sébastien BLAISOT wrote: >> >> > Hi all, >> >> > >> >> > Some more blockers : >> >> > >> >> > * (win) installing 1.12 on top of a previous version >> >installation >> >> > (lp:1457618) => PR621 is *still* waiting for merge. Please >> >review and >> >> > discuss if we move version to beta2 >> >> > >> >> > * (win) Eject symbol not shown in LateNight skin (lp:1454649) >> >=> PR627 >> >> > is *still* waiting for review and merge >> >> >> >> Who can review these? Who uses Windows? >> >> >> >> > About startup time, I noticed, under windows, that startup >> >time is >> >> > *very* long if I have network shares mounted and a slow (like >> >> > slooooooow) network connection. Mixxx probably tries to >> >enumerate all >> >> > drives at startup, even network ones. I think it should be >> >limited to >> >> > local drives. Launch time is short if I unmount network shares >> >before >> >> > launching mixxx. Hope this can be of any help in sorting out >> >this issue. >> >> >> >> Why does Mixxx need to enumerate all drives at startup? >> >Shouldn't it >> >> only need to enumerate drives that the library is configured to >> >scan in? >> >> >> >> > --- >> >> > Sébastien Blaisot >> >> > >> >> > Le 22/07/2015 00:03, Be a écrit : >> >> > >> >> >> Where are we now? Let's make a list of release blockers: >> >> >> * skin polish: Ferran's updates to LateNight in PR #639 is a >> >good step >> >> >> and he said he'd work on Deere too >> >> >> * weird bug with library search bar focus in LateNight: >> >> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mixxx/+bug/1462061 >> >> >> * Startup time: Mixxx takes a long time to start up on some >> >systems. PR >> >> >> #655 and PR #650 will alleviate the issue without risking >> >regressions by >> >> >> messing with the startup code much. >> >> >> * Opus crash: LP 1458380 >> >> >> * flaky broadcasting connections: LP 1277274 >> >> >> * key sorting: PR #649 in progress >> >> >> * updating documentation links: PR #657 >> >> >> * manual updates. IMO the people who wrote new features >> >should be the >> >> >> ones who explain how they work. >> >> >> >> >> >> * Electrix Tweaker mapping: PR #638 is almost ready. I ran >> >into a bug >> >> >> where I couldn't exit a loop using my controller last night. >> >I'm not >> >> >> sure if it was an issue with the mapping or Mixxx. >> >> >> * Pioneer DDJ-SB mapping: How is progress on this Joan? Can >> >you put it >> >> >> on GitHub? See >> >> >> http://mixxx.org/wiki/doku.php/midi_scripting#setting_up_git >> >> >for >> >> setting >> >> >> up git for mappings. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 06/14/2015 12:33 PM, Sébastien Blaisot wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> OK, trying to gather what we said about "1.12 release >> >blockers": >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Done: >> >> >>> * skin polish (Jus has an active Deere branch) => PR579 & >> >PR608 merged. >> >> >>> * (win) installing 1.12 on top of a previous version >> >installation => >> >> >>> PR621 waiting for merge >> >> >>> * (win) Uninstalling Mixxx leave files behind => PR603 >> >merged >> >> >>> * (win) Incorrect preferences folder path => PR606 merged >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Remaining: >> >> >>> * critical Windows bugs => RJ told he will have a look at >> >them. can we >> >> >>> list the critical blockers here ? >> >> >>> * skin polish (Jus has an active Deere branch) => bug >> >lp:1454649 >> >> >>> remaining. Is there other work needed ? >> >> >>> * website updates (RJ ryan is working on this). We also need >> >to open >> >> >>> more languages for website translation on transifex. it's >> >actually >> >> >>> limited to english, german, portuguese and Turkish. I can >> >make french >> >> >>> (france) translation. >> >> >>> * manual updates => Does somebody work on this actually ? >> >> >>> * avoid flanger warning message for shipped with mixxx >> >controller >> >> >>> mappings (hack it by making an ignore list) => Does somebody >> >work on >> >> >>> this actually ? >> >> >>> * XDG folders under Linux : We have to decide if it is a >> >1.12 issue or >> >> >>> if we postpone it. see lp:1463273 and PR622 >> >> >>> * Unstable broadcasting stream => lp:1277274 >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Is there any other blockers ? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> >------------- >> >> >> Don't Limit Your Business. 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