Hi Daniel, > We have discussed such a model earlier, but it was difficult to > generalize is in the back-end. Hm, I don't really get that point.
Each library Feature would need * a 'default' widget, if no child element of it is selected (Playlists would display all Playlists there), * a widget for the left pane (for Playlists that would be a tree/list of all the playlists in DB) * a widget if a child element is selected (which would be the track-table-widget for the Playlists). * a list of child-Elements to display in the dropDown despite the last point, all that is also needed and planned for the other approach - isn't it? And such a List wouldn't be so dramatic to implement I think. Then one would need an additional WCondensedLibrary to display the LibraryFeatures without the leftPane but with a dropDown at the top. Probably I'm not into it as deep as you guys. So don't hesitate to tell me I'm wrong ;-) I just like to understand the difference in your approach to learn from it ;-) Am 05.06.2016 um 14:13 schrieb Daniel Schürmann: > Hi Markus, > > thank you for you second library model. > > We have discussed such a model earlier, but it was difficult to > generalize is in the back-end. > > The current model has a nice generalized object model. > See the exploded drawing on: > http://www.mixxx.org/wiki/doku.php/library_layout_redesign > > For my feeling the switching of the left pane will happen > "as expected". > If done right, it will offer the right view for every common use case > without being cluttered. > The left pane could always support the DJ best for the specific task. > Paired with a new drop target, it will IMHO work well. > > If you wish to do a mock-up, you may Inkscape and this template: > https://github.com/jmigual/mixxxDocuments/blob/master/Layout_2.svg > or any other tool. > > >> Actually from a UX point of view I don't really like the approach to >> re-use the left pane for all open rightPanes, because users may be >> confused of it switching around all the time. What about such a solution?: >> >> By default have the Button-Bar, the Tree next to it and the TrackTable >> visible (mainly as it is today, but with the button bar added). >> >> A Button in the skin to open an additional RightPane next to it (or >> anywhere it fits) and there having a kind of drop-down in the header of >> the new RightPane with which you can select the feature to load. >> If the pane is empty, you could choose from Library, AutoDJ, Crates, >> Playlists. >> If you select Library, you get the usual Track-Table loaded inside the pane. >> If you select Crates, the list of all crates is loaded to the pane, >> which can then be used as drop-targets for sorting (see above). >> Then you can click on one Crate-Name to show the content of the crate in >> the pane instead. The drop-Down at the top would then show (Library, >> AutoDJ, Crates, -divider-, [insertAllCratesHere], -divider-, Playlists). >> So that you can quickly switch between crates and also to other >> LibraryFeatures. If we could make that drop-down with expandable items >> and sub items, one could also directly select a crate from the default >> view, but thats maybe to complicated. >> >> Like that one has the fast and easy access to one feature at set-time, >> but the flexibility to open an other pane if needed to sort tracks. >> If you have a wide display, you could also open multiple LibraryFeatures >> next to each other, to have 80th, 90th and MegaHits open for quick >> access in a set. Maybe you only need the Artist and Track information, >> than you could fit a massive amount of Crates/Playlists/+AutoDJ next to >> each other. On a small screen you still have the clean layout we have >> nowadays. >> >> I hope one understands my Idea. If needed I could make drafts of it to >> make it more clear. >> >> Keep up the good work! >> Markus >> >> Am 05.06.2016 um 11:45 schrieb Daniel Schürmann: >>> Hi Ferran, >>> >>> thank you for your ideas. >>> >>>> The second way is the "Copy to Context menu". Unfortunately the >>>> menu vanishes after the copy. Conclusion: Not easy. >>>> >>>> Why is this "not easy"? >>>> >>> This IS easy for a single track, but not for many, lets say new tracks. >>> I am afraid, this menu becomes unhandy if we have crates hierarchies. >>> Maybe we can replace it with something cool that fixes the other issue >>> as well. >>> >>>> How about adding a root node to the Crates and Playlist Feature >>>> that displays the All tracks? That would allow dragging any track >>>> to any Crate /Playlist. >>>> >>>> >>>> 1) This doesn't allow users to add tracks from playlist to crates. >>>> >>> Yes, a solution would be to combine the crates an playlists feature. >>> However a separate feature may allows us to add cool new things to the >>> left pane individual. >>> >>>> 2) Maybe the user is looking at the auto-dj queue and thinks "this >>>> track is totally hot, I should add it to the Hits crate". He can't >>>> because from the auto-dj pane he can't access the playlist tree. For >>>> me this is not a solution. >>>> >>> The main task for the autodj's left pane is to define the transitions. >>> The user can already use the context menu or open a second pane, but >>> this might be not straight forward enough. >>> >>>> once we have a Crate hierarchies, it could be as hard to drop to >>>> one from 100 crates. This cam be solved ba a Bookmark feature that >>>> contains only a few relevant Crates. >>>> >>>> What do you think? Any other idea? >>>> >>>> Keep showing the whole tree of features in every pane: Show the tree >>>> corresponding to the current pane. Add an additional node, collapsed >>>> by default that shows the whole tree. Something like this: >>>> >>>> -Crate 1 >>>> -Crate 2 >>>> ---Sub Crate 2.1 >>>> -Crate 3 >>>> -Full Tree >>>> ---... >>>> >>>> >>>> Isn't this a simple but effective solution? >>>> >>> IMHO we should careful consider what is the most required contend on the >>> feature's left pane. Sorting tracks to different crates / playlists is >>> only one aspect. It should not clutter the left pane one one hand, but >>> there is a valid demand to have always an easy access to crates and >>> playlist as drop targets. >>> >>> You idea, goes to the right direction. >>> >>> Full Tree: I think we do not nee the legacy full tree, we need a tree of >>> all drop targets, right? The crates and playlist tree should be sufficient. >>> >>> A full tree node, on every left pane breaks somehow the ButtoBar + >>> Fetaure Idea. >>> How can we combine both? >>> >>> How about move this Full Tree node as button to the button bar. This >>> could be a special feature without a right pane. >>> >>> The most difficult case, seams to be the single feature view: ButtonBar >>> + AutoDJ left pane + AutoDJ track list. >>> Form this view, the user can drag a track from the AutoDJ track list, >>> hover to the Full Tree button on the button bar. >>> this will enable the drop target tree on the left pane keeping the >>> AutoDJ track list in the right pane. >>> Now he can sort all tracks as desired. >>> >>> @JOAN, will this fit to your Backend model? Will it replace the single >>> cates and playlist features? >>> Do we still need to copy to context menu? >>> >>>> I want to remark that is quite important to allow users to configure >>>> the new library to look similar to current one (one single pane + >>>> complete tree). Feature specific tree + collapsable complete tree >>>> would also work for me. >>> I am not sure if I missed a point, why it is required to keep a view >>> that look similar to current one. Is there an other use case we have >>> missed? >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Daniel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic >>> patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are >>> consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, >>> J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. 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